Cornell hockey at MSG every year

[RinkRatInExile]

Noticed today in the NHL schedule releases that the Rangers and Canucks will play a 2 p.m. matinee at MSG on the day of Red Hot Hockey. Just thought you might want to know.

[Trotsky]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.

Good.

[Rosey]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.

Good.

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

I would put real money on a skyscraper replacing MSG. Not for the sake of beauty or history, but for higher rents.

[underskill]

yup, sounds like a great idea to spend billions of dollars the city doesn't have to build a new place for homeless people to pee all over.

[Josh '99]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.

Good.

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

I would put real money on a skyscraper replacing MSG. Not for the sake of beauty or history, but for higher rents.

They won't restore Penn Station to its former glory, because they don't have the money for it, but if they just built a station that wasn't such a dysfunctional maze that would be OK with me.

[Trotsky]

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

The entire Northeast corridor jumped the shark decades ago and I don't expect anything beautiful to ever be built (or rebuilt) there again.  Primarily I just want the pig pen that is the current Penn Station gone.  If the way to do that is to dynamite MSG, that's fine by me, it's just as nondescript as the Coliseum and the world will be no poorer without either.

[Rosey]

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

The entire Northeast corridor jumped the shark decades ago and I don't expect anything beautiful to ever be built (or rebuilt) there again.  Primarily I just want the pig pen that is the current Penn Station gone.  If the way to do that is to dynamite MSG, that's fine by me, it's just as nondescript as the Coliseum and the world will be no poorer without either.

Fair enough.

Hopefully MSG5 will benefit from experience with its predecessors, as well as from other good, modern rinks around the country. There is opportunity in this for the Rangers (and, I suppose, for the squeakball team that also plays there).

[Trotsky]

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

The entire Northeast corridor jumped the shark decades ago and I don't expect anything beautiful to ever be built (or rebuilt) there again.  Primarily I just want the pig pen that is the current Penn Station gone.  If the way to do that is to dynamite MSG, that's fine by me, it's just as nondescript as the Coliseum and the world will be no poorer without either.

Fair enough.

Hopefully MSG5 will benefit from experience with its predecessors, as well as from other good, modern rinks around the country. There is opportunity in this for the Rangers (and, I suppose, for the squeakball team that also plays there).

It will never happen, but I vote for returning to the 1890 version.  It looked like the Smithsonian on the outside and La Scala on the inside.

[Jim Hyla]

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

The entire Northeast corridor jumped the shark decades ago and I don't expect anything beautiful to ever be built (or rebuilt) there again.  Primarily I just want the pig pen that is the current Penn Station gone.  If the way to do that is to dynamite MSG, that's fine by me, it's just as nondescript as the Coliseum and the world will be no poorer without either.

Fair enough.

Hopefully MSG5 will benefit from experience with its predecessors, as well as from other good, modern rinks around the country. There is opportunity in this for the Rangers (and, I suppose, for the squeakball team that also plays there).

It will never happen, but I vote for returning to the 1890 version.  It looked like the Smithsonian on the outside and La Scala on the inside.

As long as you donate the $2-3 Billion that they'd need, I'm sure they'd consider it.:-}

[KeithK]

The current MSG is a dump and will not be much missed, but surely you are not naïve enough to believe that the Port Authority will restore Penn Station to its former glory...?

The entire Northeast corridor jumped the shark decades ago and I don't expect anything beautiful to ever be built (or rebuilt) there again.  Primarily I just want the pig pen that is the current Penn Station gone.  If the way to do that is to dynamite MSG, that's fine by me, it's just as nondescript as the Coliseum and the world will be no poorer without either.

Fair enough.

Hopefully MSG5 will benefit from experience with its predecessors, as well as from other good, modern rinks around the country. There is opportunity in this for the Rangers (and, I suppose, for the squeakball team that also plays there).

It will never happen, but I vote for returning to the 1890 version.  It looked like the Smithsonian on the outside and La Scala on the inside.

As long as you donate the $2-3 Billion that they'd need, I'm sure they'd consider it.:-}

Even if you could find the money to do it (say a few Wall Street billionaires decided to gt together and fund it) could you find an architect willing to design it?  it seems like all architects want to design these days are ugly pieces of crap. But they're edgy or trendy or whatever.

Tangent, I was back in Ithaca very briefly a couple weeks ago and I was struck by the fact that all of the new buildings are god awful ugly (at least from the outside).  I guess that was probably true in the 90's too, but it's more dramatic when you go away for a while and come back, as opposed to living in the place.

[Rosey]

Tangent, I was back in Ithaca very briefly a couple weeks ago and I was struck by the fact that all of the new buildings are god awful ugly (at least from the outside).  I guess that was probably true in the 90's too, but it's more dramatic when you go away for a while and come back, as opposed to living in the place.

I decided about a decade ago that the trustees had basically given up on beauty completely, and decided to go for trendy, but since they don't have enough money for attractive trendy, they get neo-brutalist trendy.

I would say they'd all facepalm 40 years from now, but in 40 years most of them will have been dead for 20 years.

I also recall saying on this very forum some months back that this is what you get when the people making decisions about how the campus looks don't have to live there. No skin in the game.

[billhoward]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.
Good.

Grand Central: How a Train Station Transformed America by Sam Roberts '68 is painful to read if you commute into Penn Station not Grand Central. Going through the revived Grand Central feels like you're passing through someplace grand en route to visiting or working at someplace special. Coming out of Penn Station, it's like you're leaving somebody's basement. With all the construction going on near Penn Station, it will be hard to find someplace nearby for the next MSG, if the city forces the issue and makes MSG decamp.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.
Good.

Grand Central: How a Train Station Transformed America by Sam Roberts '68 is painful to read if you commute into Penn Station not Grand Central. Going through the revived Grand Central feels like you're passing through someplace grand en route to visiting or working at someplace special. Coming out of Penn Station, it's like you're leaving somebody's basement. With all the construction going on near Penn Station, it will be hard to find someplace nearby for the next MSG, if the city forces the issue and makes MSG decamp.

Brooklyn?  New Jersey?

I've got it.  The Bronx!

[Rosey]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.
Good.

Grand Central: How a Train Station Transformed America by Sam Roberts '68 is painful to read if you commute into Penn Station not Grand Central. Going through the revived Grand Central feels like you're passing through someplace grand en route to visiting or working at someplace special. Coming out of Penn Station, it's like you're leaving somebody's basement. With all the construction going on near Penn Station, it will be hard to find someplace nearby for the next MSG, if the city forces the issue and makes MSG decamp.

Brooklyn?  New Jersey?

I've got it.  The Bronx!

Is there anything tasked for the Hudson Yard (where the Jets were making noise about putting their new stadium last decade)? This is only a few minutes' walk from the current location.

[Josh '99]

The games may outlast this incarnation of the Garden.
Good.

Grand Central: How a Train Station Transformed America by Sam Roberts '68 is painful to read if you commute into Penn Station not Grand Central. Going through the revived Grand Central feels like you're passing through someplace grand en route to visiting or working at someplace special. Coming out of Penn Station, it's like you're leaving somebody's basement. With all the construction going on near Penn Station, it will be hard to find someplace nearby for the next MSG, if the city forces the issue and makes MSG decamp.

Brooklyn?  New Jersey?

I've got it.  The Bronx!

Is there anything tasked for the Hudson Yard (where the Jets were making noise about putting their new stadium last decade)? This is only a few minutes' walk from the current location.

Large amounts of office space and new residential development, a new public school, some parks, an expansion and possible renovation of the outdated Javits Center.  

http://www.hydc.org/html/home/home.shtml

I'm not sure whether there's enough open space in the plan to fit an arena, though if the stadium building boom of the past few years has taught me anything, it's that the city is happy to turn parkland over to private interests to build a new stadium.

As an alternative, a poster on another board I read (though as far as I know just a lay observer and not an insider) proposed the blocks bounded by 10th Avenue, 31st Street, 9th Avenue and 28th Street as a possible location.  This would replace some old commercial buildings including a very large USPS sorting facility spanning a lot of the space in question.  (Where the mail would be sorted at this point I'm really not sure, especially since the landmarked Farley Post Office is supposedly going to become part of the Penn Station complex; maybe at the big sorting facility in Newark?  I don't know.)  This would put the new MSG right at the mouth of the Lincoln Tunnel (hello traffic!) and still not terribly far from Penn Station (especially if the Farley Post Office becomes part of Penn Station), but no longer particularly convenient to the 6th Avenue, 7th Avenue or Broadway subways, or the PATH terminal at Herald Square.