General Women's Thread

[RichH]

There's really nothing "outrageous" about the fish tradition anymore.  I'm all for continuing it, but we've just been going through the motions for years.

Tying a chicken to the net was pretty outrageous.  But the problem with traditions that commemorate specific events is they wind up just being me-too-ism.  The first guy to throw an octopus on the ice in Detroit was a performance art genius.  The hundredth guy?  Not so much.

Note that this is not "embarrassment with causing a scene."  PLEASE cause a scene -- that's what adolescence is for.  If anything it's kind of sad that teen rebellion has become so imprisoned in the distant, long-dead carcass of reenacting what were the once daring actions of their middle aged precursors.  "If your parents like your music you're doing it wrong."

I'd love to see the womens fans come up with a completely new and off the wall tradition of their own.  And by all means, as jaw-droppingly offensive as possible.  

Well said, Greg. I agree 100%. And, frankly, this goes for the mens' team's fans as well: I'm sick of Lynah being stuck in some late-90's repeating loop tape that sounds worse with each passing year. Fuck the old traditions: come up with some new ones, get people excited, and make noise.

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

[css228]

There's really nothing "outrageous" about the fish tradition anymore.  I'm all for continuing it, but we've just been going through the motions for years.

Tying a chicken to the net was pretty outrageous.  But the problem with traditions that commemorate specific events is they wind up just being me-too-ism.  The first guy to throw an octopus on the ice in Detroit was a performance art genius.  The hundredth guy?  Not so much.

Note that this is not "embarrassment with causing a scene."  PLEASE cause a scene -- that's what adolescence is for.  If anything it's kind of sad that teen rebellion has become so imprisoned in the distant, long-dead carcass of reenacting what were the once daring actions of their middle aged precursors.  "If your parents like your music you're doing it wrong."

I'd love to see the womens fans come up with a completely new and off the wall tradition of their own.  And by all means, as jaw-droppingly offensive as possible.  

Well said, Greg. I agree 100%. And, frankly, this goes for the mens' team's fans as well: I'm sick of Lynah being stuck in some late-90's repeating loop tape that sounds worse with each passing year. Fuck the old traditions: come up with some new ones, get people excited, and make noise.

We'd make a chant for Kilbrich if he just got more ice time.

[Trotsky]

There's really nothing "outrageous" about the fish tradition anymore.  I'm all for continuing it, but we've just been going through the motions for years.

Tying a chicken to the net was pretty outrageous.  But the problem with traditions that commemorate specific events is they wind up just being me-too-ism.  The first guy to throw an octopus on the ice in Detroit was a performance art genius.  The hundredth guy?  Not so much.

Note that this is not "embarrassment with causing a scene."  PLEASE cause a scene -- that's what adolescence is for.  If anything it's kind of sad that teen rebellion has become so imprisoned in the distant, long-dead carcass of reenacting what were the once daring actions of their middle aged precursors.  "If your parents like your music you're doing it wrong."

I'd love to see the womens fans come up with a completely new and off the wall tradition of their own.  And by all means, as jaw-droppingly offensive as possible.  

Well said, Greg. I agree 100%. And, frankly, this goes for the mens' team's fans as well: I'm sick of Lynah being stuck in some late-90's repeating loop tape that sounds worse with each passing year. Fuck the old traditions: come up with some new ones, get people excited, and make noise.

We'd make a chant for Kilbrich if he just got more ice time.

Speaking of, there was a couple at the Friday game with half-and-half Q/Cornell jerseys and "Hilbrich" on the back.  I assume that was John and Sue Hilbrich.

[Rosey]

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

I think this is just another symptom of its not really being fun anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but as much as I like hockey, what really got me excited to go to games as a student was the whole experience, which meant symbiosis between the team and the crowd. The crowd energy that existed in 1996 is simply missing nowadays, so I know if I were still a student I would have a much harder time caring: the game wouldn't be my number one priority. Not sure how you fix this.

[RichH]

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

I think this is just another symptom of its not really being fun anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but as much as I like hockey, what really got me excited to go to games as a student was the whole experience, which meant symbiosis between the team and the crowd. The crowd energy that existed in 1996 is simply missing nowadays, so I know if I were still a student I would have a much harder time caring: the game wouldn't be my number one priority. Not sure how you fix this.

I'll lay aside my belief that "you make your own fun" for now, but this has been a gradual slide since the early 2000s, and by the very solid and fun 2005-06 seasons, seeing big holes in the student sections by the opening faceoff was the norm. Now it's entire sections.  Maybe one can make the argument that some air escaped the balloon after a dominant 2003, thus breaking the upperclassmen-teaching-freshmen chain, or maybe the old success-breeds-entitlement arguement applies, but I really think it's more of a cultural change.  Collegiate social activities are now structured differently now, and the connectivity that current students have simply has had a greater impact on how things are done.  Waiting around in an arena even 30 minutes before the puck drops isn't as attractive an option anymore compared to getting other priorities taken care of.  I can't talk to how the social rituals have changed (Maybe the fact that collegetown bars are a dying species is another symptom?) but since things can now get done on the move, its less of a commitment to work/eat/pre-game/meet-up on the fly.  Before this era, there was a lot of "let's meet at the rink at 6:15" planning ahead of time, and you don't have to do that now.

Similarly, look around at a game, and there's not a lot of noise being made during stoppages at all. There's a lot of device-checking happening instead, which is a cultural change in ALL aspects of life, for both young and old. We're conditioned now to check the facepages, twits, and the instaflikrs given any downtime, and a whistle at a hockey game is just a perfect Pavlovian "OK, things have stopped" signal.  Maybe it's not a lack of connection between the fans and the team, just that that connection has been replaced with a stronger, more omnipresent, accessible, and personal one between the fans and the digital world that's sitting in their palms.

Yep, it's hard not to sound like a "Kids These Days" grandpa, here, (and I'm guilty of some of the above behavior too, I'm ashamed to say).  I'm really not trying to fault anybody here...I'm just trying to explain it.

[jtn27]

There's really nothing "outrageous" about the fish tradition anymore.  I'm all for continuing it, but we've just been going through the motions for years.

Tying a chicken to the net was pretty outrageous.  But the problem with traditions that commemorate specific events is they wind up just being me-too-ism.  The first guy to throw an octopus on the ice in Detroit was a performance art genius.  The hundredth guy?  Not so much.

Note that this is not "embarrassment with causing a scene."  PLEASE cause a scene -- that's what adolescence is for.  If anything it's kind of sad that teen rebellion has become so imprisoned in the distant, long-dead carcass of reenacting what were the once daring actions of their middle aged precursors.  "If your parents like your music you're doing it wrong."

I'd love to see the womens fans come up with a completely new and off the wall tradition of their own.  And by all means, as jaw-droppingly offensive as possible.  

Well said, Greg. I agree 100%. And, frankly, this goes for the mens' team's fans as well: I'm sick of Lynah being stuck in some late-90's repeating loop tape that sounds worse with each passing year. Fuck the old traditions: come up with some new ones, get people excited, and make noise.

We'd make a chant for Kilbrich if he just got more ice time.

We've also been trying to do "Great Taste/Less Filling" after each Miller goal since the end of last season, but he hasn't had many home goals since we thought of it. I think we've done it twice.

[Trotsky]

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

I think this is just another symptom of its not really being fun anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but as much as I like hockey, what really got me excited to go to games as a student was the whole experience, which meant symbiosis between the team and the crowd. The crowd energy that existed in 1996 is simply missing nowadays, so I know if I were still a student I would have a much harder time caring: the game wouldn't be my number one priority. Not sure how you fix this.

I'll lay aside my belief that "you make your own fun" for now, but this has been a gradual slide since the early 2000s, and by the very solid and fun 2005-06 seasons, seeing big holes in the student sections by the opening faceoff was the norm. Now it's entire sections.  Maybe one can make the argument that some air escaped the balloon after a dominant 2003, thus breaking the upperclassmen-teaching-freshmen chain, or maybe the old success-breeds-entitlement arguement applies, but I really think it's more of a cultural change.  Collegiate social activities are now structured differently now, and the connectivity that current students have simply has had a greater impact on how things are done.  Waiting around in an arena even 30 minutes before the puck drops isn't as attractive an option anymore compared to getting other priorities taken care of.  I can't talk to how the social rituals have changed (Maybe the fact that collegetown bars are a dying species is another symptom?) but since things can now get done on the move, its less of a commitment to work/eat/pre-game/meet-up on the fly.  Before this era, there was a lot of "let's meet at the rink at 6:15" planning ahead of time, and you don't have to do that now.

Similarly, look around at a game, and there's not a lot of noise being made during stoppages at all. There's a lot of device-checking happening instead, which is a cultural change in ALL aspects of life, for both young and old. We're conditioned now to check the facepages, twits, and the instaflikrs given any downtime, and a whistle at a hockey game is just a perfect Pavlovian "OK, things have stopped" signal.  Maybe it's not a lack of connection between the fans and the team, just that that connection has been replaced with a stronger, more omnipresent, accessible, and personal one between the fans and the digital world that's sitting in their palms.

Yep, it's hard not to sound like a "Kids These Days" grandpa, here, (and I'm guilty of some of the above behavior too, I'm ashamed to say).  I'm really not trying to fault anybody here...I'm just trying to explain it.

Based on the SSS of the two games I saw last weekend (my first at Lynah in 5 years), I believe if you give the fans a reason to get into it, they'll get into it.  Cornell gave the fans just one goal over 120 minutes and was putting the last touches on a 7th straight loss (with no wins at Lynah in 9 weeks), and yet the students were very loud and excited over the final five minutes Saturday.

Don't get me wrong -- smart phones have turned kids into joyless, uninteresting sheep.  BUT it's not that social ill that's a downer for the Cornell crowd.  The '87 and '93 crowds were pretty uninspiring, too.  Just win, baby.

[Ben]

jtn27 and I have been keeping track of the people around us in B -- in front and to our left (towards A) are mostly facetimers, and the people directly in front of us haven't showed up before 7:25 for any 7 PM starts this season. The best way to fill up the student sections earlier is to base the quality of the viewing experience on punctuality -- make them general admission.

In other WICE news, Sucks beat BU in the Beanpot Consolation, re-arranging #3 through #5 in the Pairwise. It's Sucks, BU, Cornell, pending NE-BC for the Beanpot title. We want Northeastern to win and SLU to get back above Q at the bottom of the TUCs. And beat Sucks on Friday.

[jtn27]

jtn27 and I have been keeping track of the people around us in B -- in front and to our left (towards A) are mostly facetimers, and the people directly in front of us haven't showed up before 7:25 for any 7 PM starts this season. The best way to fill up the student sections earlier is to base the quality of the viewing experience on punctuality -- make them general admission.

My favorite was when the girls next to us decided that the middle of a game would be the perfect time to do each other's hair.

[Dafatone]

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

I think this is just another symptom of its not really being fun anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but as much as I like hockey, what really got me excited to go to games as a student was the whole experience, which meant symbiosis between the team and the crowd. The crowd energy that existed in 1996 is simply missing nowadays, so I know if I were still a student I would have a much harder time caring: the game wouldn't be my number one priority. Not sure how you fix this.

I'll lay aside my belief that "you make your own fun" for now, but this has been a gradual slide since the early 2000s, and by the very solid and fun 2005-06 seasons, seeing big holes in the student sections by the opening faceoff was the norm. Now it's entire sections.  Maybe one can make the argument that some air escaped the balloon after a dominant 2003, thus breaking the upperclassmen-teaching-freshmen chain, or maybe the old success-breeds-entitlement arguement applies, but I really think it's more of a cultural change.  Collegiate social activities are now structured differently now, and the connectivity that current students have simply has had a greater impact on how things are done.  Waiting around in an arena even 30 minutes before the puck drops isn't as attractive an option anymore compared to getting other priorities taken care of.  I can't talk to how the social rituals have changed (Maybe the fact that collegetown bars are a dying species is another symptom?) but since things can now get done on the move, its less of a commitment to work/eat/pre-game/meet-up on the fly.  Before this era, there was a lot of "let's meet at the rink at 6:15" planning ahead of time, and you don't have to do that now.

Similarly, look around at a game, and there's not a lot of noise being made during stoppages at all. There's a lot of device-checking happening instead, which is a cultural change in ALL aspects of life, for both young and old. We're conditioned now to check the facepages, twits, and the instaflikrs given any downtime, and a whistle at a hockey game is just a perfect Pavlovian "OK, things have stopped" signal.  Maybe it's not a lack of connection between the fans and the team, just that that connection has been replaced with a stronger, more omnipresent, accessible, and personal one between the fans and the digital world that's sitting in their palms.

Yep, it's hard not to sound like a "Kids These Days" grandpa, here, (and I'm guilty of some of the above behavior too, I'm ashamed to say).  I'm really not trying to fault anybody here...I'm just trying to explain it.

During the 2006-2007 season, a friend of mine got threatened by an usher for being too loud/annoying.  The friend wasn't swearing, or saying anything off-color.  Just a lot of "you suck, I bet you're sick of hearing me (he had moved from B to D to follow the sieve), etc."  An usher told him to tone it down.

[Trotsky]

The friend wasn't swearing, or saying anything off-color.  Just a lot of "you suck

[Dafatone]

The friend wasn't swearing, or saying anything off-color.  Just a lot of "you suck

Allow me to move the goalposts a little.  He wasn't saying anything that you don't normally hear at Lynah, or that would get you kicked out.  He was more annoying than insulting, and certainly not offensive, yet the usher threatened to toss him.  I posted about it here, but most people figured my friend was swearing.

For all I know, the usher misheard him and thought he said something worse than it did, but it wasn't a good sign.

[Trotsky]

Allow me to move the goalposts a little.  He wasn't saying anything that you don't normally hear at Lynah, or that would get you kicked out.  He was more annoying than insulting, and certainly not offensive, yet the usher threatened to toss him.  I posted about it here, but most people figured my friend was swearing.

I actually see it your way, when it's a matter of "suck" and Section B.  Local community standards dictate what is smut, and the word is unremarkable for that locale (though mind-numbingly dull).

[marty]

Allow me to move the goalposts a little.  He wasn't saying anything that you don't normally hear at Lynah, or that would get you kicked out.  He was more annoying than insulting, and certainly not offensive, yet the usher threatened to toss him.  I posted about it here, but most people figured my friend was swearing.

I actually see it your way, when it's a matter of "suck" and Section B.  Local community standards dictate what is smut, and the word is unremarkable for that locale (though mind-numbingly dull).

But you're not being fair to RIP. That's their only cheer (with novel variations such as "Clarkson still sucks" ).

[Jim Hyla]

Well, showing up with 5:00 left in the 1st is a new tradition.

I think this is just another symptom of its not really being fun anymore. I can only speak from my own experience, but as much as I like hockey, what really got me excited to go to games as a student was the whole experience, which meant symbiosis between the team and the crowd. The crowd energy that existed in 1996 is simply missing nowadays, so I know if I were still a student I would have a much harder time caring: the game wouldn't be my number one priority. Not sure how you fix this.

I'll lay aside my belief that "you make your own fun" for now, but this has been a gradual slide since the early 2000s, and by the very solid and fun 2005-06 seasons, seeing big holes in the student sections by the opening faceoff was the norm. Now it's entire sections.  Maybe one can make the argument that some air escaped the balloon after a dominant 2003, thus breaking the upperclassmen-teaching-freshmen chain, or maybe the old success-breeds-entitlement arguement applies, but I really think it's more of a cultural change.  Collegiate social activities are now structured differently now, and the connectivity that current students have simply has had a greater impact on how things are done.  Waiting around in an arena even 30 minutes before the puck drops isn't as attractive an option anymore compared to getting other priorities taken care of.  I can't talk to how the social rituals have changed (Maybe the fact that collegetown bars are a dying species is another symptom?) but since things can now get done on the move, its less of a commitment to work/eat/pre-game/meet-up on the fly.  Before this era, there was a lot of "let's meet at the rink at 6:15" planning ahead of time, and you don't have to do that now.

Similarly, look around at a game, and there's not a lot of noise being made during stoppages at all. There's a lot of device-checking happening instead, which is a cultural change in ALL aspects of life, for both young and old. We're conditioned now to check the facepages, twits, and the instaflikrs given any downtime, and a whistle at a hockey game is just a perfect Pavlovian "OK, things have stopped" signal.  Maybe it's not a lack of connection between the fans and the team, just that that connection has been replaced with a stronger, more omnipresent, accessible, and personal one between the fans and the digital world that's sitting in their palms.

Yep, it's hard not to sound like a "Kids These Days" grandpa, here, (and I'm guilty of some of the above behavior too, I'm ashamed to say).  I'm really not trying to fault anybody here...I'm just trying to explain it.

Based on the SSS of the two games I saw last weekend (my first at Lynah in 5 years), I believe if you give the fans a reason to get into it, they'll get into it.  Cornell gave the fans just one goal over 120 minutes and was putting the last touches on a 7th straight loss (with no wins at Lynah in 9 weeks), and yet the students were very loud and excited over the final five minutes Saturday.

Don't get me wrong -- smart phones have turned kids into joyless, uninteresting sheep.  BUT it's not that social ill that's a downer for the Cornell crowd.  The '87 and '93 crowds were pretty uninspiring, too.  Just win, baby.

I agree, I was impressed with how well attended the games were and that the students did cheer. Do they get there on time, NO, but that has been for >15 years. Remember why coach changed the senior presentation to after, rather than before, the game. They come late, but do come. I don't know where the prior comment that whole student sections are absent comes from. I've not seen that.