2012-13 Polls Men & Women

[Jim Hyla]

All Men's and Women's now up.

[Jim Hyla]

We're 24 in USCHO and 27 in PWR. I'll post them later.

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

[RatushnyFan]

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

And say a prayer for those who went to both Cornell and Michigan.......

[marty]

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

And say a prayer for those who went to both Cornell and Michigan.......

Jim and I would be in that club.

[Jim Hyla]

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USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 28, 2013
Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (28) 18- 4-4 975 1
2 Quinnipiac (22) 18- 3-3 967 2
3 New Hampshire 15- 6-2 871 4
4 Miami        15- 6-5 835 6
5 Boston College 14- 7-2 771 3
6 Western Michigan 16- 6-4 723 9
7 North Dakota 13- 8-5 633 5
8 Yale        12- 5-3 605 8
9 Notre Dame 16-10-0 564 7
10 Denver        13- 8-4 506 10
11 Boston University 13- 9-1 479 11
12 St. Cloud State 15-10-1 446 16
13 Massachusetts-Lowell 14- 7-2 416 15
14 Nebraska-Omaha 15- 9-2 406 13
15 Minnesota State 16- 9-3 393 14
16 Dartmouth 11- 7-2 302 12
17 Niagara        15- 4-5 180 17
18 Union        13- 8-4 151 19
19 Wisconsin 11- 8-5 127 20
20 Alaska        12- 8-4 69 NR
Others receiving votes: Ferris State 42, Colgate 19, Providence 11,
Cornell 5, Holy Cross 2, Merrimack 1, Northern Michigan 1.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-mens-poll/#ixzz2JJJkqWrm


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USA Men's Poll - Week 16: January 28, 2013
     Team      Points (First) Record Last Poll
1  Minnesota      497 (23)    18-4-4   1
2  Quinnipiac  485 (11)    18-3-3   2
3  Miami  420         15-6-5   6
4  New Hampshire  417         15-6-2   4
5  Boston College 369         14-7-2   3
6  Western Mich   330         16-6-4   9
7  Yale          290         12-5-3   7
8  North Dakota  239         13-8-5   5
9  Boston Univer  182         13-9-1  10
10 Denver  174         13-8-4  11
11 Notre Dame  169         16-10-0  8
12 UMass-Lowell  145         14-7-2  12
13 St. Cloud      141         15-10-1 15
14 Nebraska-Omaha  77         15-9-2  14
15 Minnesota State 65         16-9-3  NR

Others receiving votes: Dartmouth College, 43; Niagara University, 17;
University of Alaska, 10; Union College, 6; University of Wisconsin, 3;
Ferris State University, 1.


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 PWR
Rk Team PCWs W-L-T Win % Rk RPI Rk
1  Quinnipiac 28 18-3-3 .812 1 .5870 1
2  Minnesota 27 18-4-4 .769 2 .5724 2
3  New Hampshire 25 15-6-2 .696 4 .5672 3
4  Miami 25 15-6-5 .673 7 .5546 4
5  Yale 24 12-5-3 .675 6 .5538 5
6  Boston Coll 24 14-7-2 .652 8t .5521 6
7  Western Mich 22 16-6-4 .692 5 .5457 7
8  Mass.-Lowell 21 14-7-2 .652 8t .5456 8
9  St. Cloud 19 15-10-1 .596 16t .5433 9
10 North Dakota 18 13-8-5 .596 16t .5415 10
11 Boston Univer 17 13-9-1 .587 18 .5404 11
12 Alaska-Fairbk 17 12-8-4 .583 19t .5331 18
13 Denver 16 13-8-4 .600 13t .5396 12
14 Notre Dame 15 16-10-0 .615 11t .5384 13
15 Dartmouth 15 11-7-2 .600 13t .5365 14
16 Minnesota St  13 16-9-3 .625 10 .5350 15
17 Niagara 12 15-4-5 .729 3 .5346 16
18 Union 10 13-8-4 .600 13t .5259 19
19 Colgate 10 13-9-2 .583 19t .5221 20
20 Northern Mich 10 11-12-4 .481 32 .5123 23
21 Nebraska-Om    8 15-9-2 .615 11t .5334 17
22 Ferris State  8 13-10-3 .558 24 .5183 22
23 Wisconsin  7 11-8-5 .562 23 .5210 21
24 Ohio State  4 10-11-5 .481 33 .5087 24
25 Providence  4 10-10-4 .500 28t .5072 25
26 Robert Morris  4 12-9-2 .565 22 .5046 26
27 Cornell  2 8-9-2 .474 36t .5044 27
28 Merrimack  1 10-10-5 .500 28t .5022 28
29 Holy Cross  0 13-9-2 .583 19t .5021 29
T U C   L i n e
   St. Lawrence 11-10-3 .521 27 .4978 30


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USCHO.com Division I Women's Poll
January 28, 2013

Team      (First) Record Points Last Poll
1 Minnesota (15) 26- 0-0 150 1
2 Boston College 19- 4-2 128 3
3 Harvard        17- 2-1 110 2
4 Boston University 17- 3-3 100 5
5 Cornell        16- 4-0 99 4
6 Clarkson 20- 6-0 78 7
7 Mercyhurst 19- 4-1 68 6
8 Wisconsin 15- 9-2 39 8
9 North Dakota 16-10-0 26    10
10 Minnesota-Duluth 13- 8-3 22    NR
Others receiving votes: Northeastern 5.

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/d-i-womens-poll/#ixzz2JJPz6swf



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USA Women's Poll - Week 16: Jan. 29, 2013
   Team     Points (First) Record Last Poll
1  Minnesota   190  (19)   26-0-0  1
2  Boston Coll 167         19-4-2  3
3  Boston Univ 135         17-3-3  5
4  Harvard     125         17-2-1  2
5  Cornell     120         16-4-0  4
6  Clarkson     97         20-6-0  7
7  Mercyhurst 84         19-4-1  6
8  Wisconsin 48         15-9-2  8
9  North Dakota 44         16-10-0 9
10 Minn Duluth 26         13-8-3 NR

Others receiving votes: Northeastern, 9.


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Women's Division I PairWise Rankings

Rank Team       PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank vs. TUC TUC %
1 Minnesota 11 26-0-0 1.000 1t .7351* 1 12-0-0 1.000
2 Boston College 10 19-4-2 .8000 6t .6334* 2 8-3-1 .7083
3 Harvard         9 17-2-1 .8750 3 .6288* 3 2-2-0 .5000
4 Boston Univer    8 17-3-3 .8043 5 .6266* 4 5-2-3 .6500
5t Cornell         6 16-4-0 .8000 6t .6237* 5 3-4-0 .4286
5t Clarkson 6 20-6-0 .7692 8 .5969* 6 4-5-0 .4444
5t Mercyhurst 6 19-4-1 .8125 4 .5951* 7 2-2-0 .5000
8 Wisconsin 4 15-9-2 .6154 9t .5653* 8 6-8-0 .4286
9 North Dakota 3 16-10-0 .6154 9t .5596* 9 5-9-0 .3571
10 Minnesota-Duluth 2 13-8-3 .6042 13 .5588 10 5-7-2 .4286
11 Ohio State 1 15-9-2 .6154 9t .5444* 11 4-8-0 .3333
12 Northeastern 0 14-9-2 .6000 14t .5413* 12 1-7-0 .1250

Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/pairwise-rankings/d-i-women/#ixzz2JJQUWA5k



[abmarks]

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

And say a prayer for those who went to both Cornell and Michigan.......

Jim and I would be in that club.

Me too

[jtn27]

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USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 28, 2013

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Others receiving votes: ...
Cornell 5


We're still receiving votes after that atrocious weekend and going 1-5 in the last six? And 5 votes to boot?

[billhoward]

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USCHO.com Division I Men's Poll
January 28, 2013

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Others receiving votes: ...
Cornell 5


We're still receiving votes after that atrocious weekend and going 1-5 in the last six? And 5 votes to boot?

5 voters believe Rob Pannell skates. Or maybe just faith that Cornell will bounce back from another horrible January. Statistics aside, it feels as if Cornell has a bad January every year. Or maybe lack of faith in everyone rated below Cornell.

[billhoward]

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

And say a prayer for those who went to both Cornell and Michigan.......

... especially if you lived through the Bo Schembechler era. Something like 0-6-4 (W-L-DNP) in Michigan's first 10 years in bowl games, 5-12 overall, and immortalized in The Big Chill for its big game futility.

There. I feel a little better about the Syracuse lax game.

[Jim Hyla]

Edit: If we feel bad think about those Michigan fans.

And say a prayer for those who went to both Cornell and Michigan.......

... especially if you lived through the Bo Schembechler era. Something like 0-6-4 (W-L-DNP) in Michigan's first 10 years in bowl games, 5-12 overall, and immortalized in The Big Chill for its big game futility.

There. I feel a little better about the Syracuse lax game.

So they went to 6 bowl games in 10 years and that was when going to a bowl game was a big thing. You needed more than just a non-losing record to get to a game then. Yeah they lost, but they got there; that's more than most other NCAA teams could say. No, I was happy to "live through the Bo Schembechler era". At least I had a team to cheer for on New Year's Day.::cheer::

[Josh '99]

Statistics aside, it feels as if Cornell has a bad January every year.

January 2000:  3-3-1
January 2001:  3-2-2
January 2002:  5-1-0
January 2003:  6-1-0
January 2004:  2-5-1
January 2005:  7-1-0
January 2006:  5-1-1
January 2007:  1-4-2
January 2008:  5-2-1
January 2009:  6-2-1
January 2010:  5-1-1
January 2011:  5-1-2
January 2012:  3-2-3
January 2013:  1-5-0

So, yes, the last two haven't been great, but in games played in January 2___, Cornell is 57-31-15, a winning percentage of 0.626.  Over those 14 (well, 13 2/3) entire regular seasons, Cornell is 225-119-50, a winning percentage of .635.  In other wods, Cornell plays almost exactly the same in January as they do every other month.  If Miller (I think that's who it was anyway) tips that puck a couple of inches to the right in OT on Friday, the January number would be .636.

[Tom Lento]

Statistics aside, it feels as if Cornell has a bad January every year.

January 2000:  3-3-1
January 2001:  3-2-2
January 2002:  5-1-0
January 2003:  6-1-0
January 2004:  2-5-1
January 2005:  7-1-0
January 2006:  5-1-1
January 2007:  1-4-2
January 2008:  5-2-1
January 2009:  6-2-1
January 2010:  5-1-1
January 2011:  5-1-2
January 2012:  3-2-3
January 2013:  1-5-0

So, yes, the last two haven't been great, but in games played in January 2___, Cornell is 57-31-15, a winning percentage of 0.626.  Over those 14 (well, 13 2/3) entire regular seasons, Cornell is 225-119-50, a winning percentage of .635.  In other wods, Cornell plays almost exactly the same in January as they do every other month.  If Miller (I think that's who it was anyway) tips that puck a couple of inches to the right in OT on Friday, the January number would be .636.

Hey now, he did say "statistics aside" so he's entitled to make whatever wild claims he'd like. That's how it works, right? It's covered by the same sports conversation rule that covers adulation over 's ability to hit a baseball.

More seriously, I note a similarity to 2007, a year in which Cornell was unable to execute the puck possession game and never seemed to stay at home on defense. From postings around here it sounds like this team has some of the same problems.

Has any Schafer team had meaningful success - in league or out - without being able to play the eternal cycle puck possession game we (ok, fine, I) love to watch?

[Towerroad]

Has any Schafer team had meaningful success - in league or out - without being able to play the eternal cycle puck possession game we (ok, fine, I) love to watch?

I think you know the answer already. The Schafer offense is a one trick pony. When it works it is a good trick, when it does not it is pretty poor. Unfortuneately, it has not been all that successful in the past few years. Everyone in college hockey is familiar with our version of the trick and they know that is all we have in the bag.

[Tom Lento]

Has any Schafer team had meaningful success - in league or out - without being able to play the eternal cycle puck possession game we (ok, fine, I) love to watch?

I think you know the answer already. The Schafer offense is a one trick pony. When it works it is a good trick, when it does not it is pretty poor. Unfortuneately, it has not been all that successful in the past few years. Everyone in college hockey is familiar with our version of the trick and they know that is all we have in the bag.

It was a rhetorical question, yes, but there might have been a couple of seasons in there where Cornell won primarily on the strength of superb special teams rather than puck possession. Hard to say, though - winning possession battles tends to give you more PP chances.

Also, since you bring it up, let's play the "What have you done for me lately, Coach Schafer?" game. Over the past 4 full seasons, 78-43-18, 1 ECAC title, 2 NCAA QF appearances and 1 NCAA first-round loss. You assert that Cornell's game plan isn't working, and I do see a mediocre season and a 2-3 NCAA record in there. Ok, maybe we should overhaul our style to be more like Yale, they were a lot better - best in league, in fact - in those years. Well, a touch over 3 points per year and 1 ECAC title better (89-41-9, with 2 ECAC titles, 2 NCAA QF appearances, and 1 NCAA first-round loss). I'm not sure that justifies drastic measures. Ok, maybe Yale's style is too extreme in the other direction, let's find more of a middle ground. What about Union? 92-47-21 with 1 ECAC title, 1 FF appearance, and 1 NCAA first-round loss. The Frozen Four is great, and because that's so special I'd probably take Union's results over the other two even though, objectively speaking, Yale has had the best run. But Cornell is not far behind, and this in a 4-year window where the ECAC has, for the first time in ages, had 3 legitimately strong teams.

I see people on these boards - possibly even you - saying we should look at what the coach has accomplished recently and call him to account for his performance over the last several years. So I just took a look, and if I were Andy Noel looking at this in the last off-season I'd have given him a raise. Maybe I'd regret it now, but probably not - one bad season doesn't erase years of success, especially not when the past 4 seasons have been, objectively speaking, great.

I don't think stylistic gripes about Cornell's system are all that useful. Perhaps this is because I like defensively oriented hockey, so I think Cornell's approach is great. Even so, there are legitimate complaints about Schafer's teams. I've listed some of them in past seasons, and honestly I think they still hold. I've never really liked the insistence on keeping the umbrella on the PP year in and year out, assuming they're still doing that. Some years it's great, but when the personnel isn't there it looks like a perimeter passing drill hoping for a lucky bounce. Others have complained about a poor breakout, and while I believed the main issue was with inconsistency and lack of offensive depth among the defensemen I'm starting to think there's an adjustment the coaches need to make. It really seems like we're dependent on having 4, if not 6, d-men who are great with the puck, and I don't think that's tractable, at least not at the national level. Another common complaint when things are going poorly is the quality of the team's passing game. I don't think Cornell has *ever* been a great passing team under Schafer, although in the early 2000s they were pretty good. Is that coaching, recruiting, or both? I honestly have no idea, but that might be an interesting Monday morning QB kind of conversation.

Anyway, here's hoping this team gets its house in order and starts executing, otherwise we're in for a long second half and a short post-season.

[billhoward]

It takes a special fan to recall all the years Michigan went to bowl games as the highlight and not the outcomes. Lot of Patriots fans right now aren't recalling who has been the most dominant team in pro football since 2000.