Lacrosse-Rob Pannell Status

[Johnny 5]

Sorry. I know there is a "key injuries" thread, but I was afraid this might get lost.
Is anyone aware of his progress to date?
Or, if he's lost for the season, any possibility he might be eligible to red-shirt (would he even consider it) next year?

God, I hate the thought of a loss to those OCC grad students!

::worry::

[jtn27]

I tried looking for some news articles about him but couldn't find very much. This is the most recent article that makes mention of his injury. http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/578807/big-red-await-return-of-big-gun-pannell/

ITHACA, N.Y. - The Cornell men's lacrosse team has perservered to a 6-1 start this season despite playing the last five games without Tewaaraton favorite Rob Pannell.
Pannell is still not participating in practice sessions and getting around on a motorized scooter after having surgery last month to repair a broken bone in his foot.
The Cornell star is scheduled to meet with a doctor this week while his head coach and teammates try to press on without him.
Ben DeLuca says his return would be a huge boost to the Big Red lineup but he and his team are not counting on that to happen.
The Big Red will try for a fourth straight win Saturday afternoon at Dartmouth.

[Johnny 5]

I tried looking for some news articles about him but couldn't find very much. This is the most recent article that makes mention of his injury. http://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/578807/big-red-await-return-of-big-gun-pannell/

ITHACA, N.Y. - The Cornell men's lacrosse team has perservered to a 6-1 start this season despite playing the last five games without Tewaaraton favorite Rob Pannell.
Pannell is still not participating in practice sessions and getting around on a motorized scooter after having surgery last month to repair a broken bone in his foot.
The Cornell star is scheduled to meet with a doctor this week while his head coach and teammates try to press on without him.
Ben DeLuca says his return would be a huge boost to the Big Red lineup but he and his team are not counting on that to happen.
The Big Red will try for a fourth straight win Saturday afternoon at Dartmouth.

Ouch.
Thanks!

::help::

[semsox]

FWIW, A poster on laxpower (who also posts in-depth analysis of all the games) said he heard from a trusted source that Rob was about 4-8 weeks away as of the Denver game (3/20).

[Josh '99]

FWIW, A poster on laxpower (who also posts in-depth analysis of all the games) said he heard from a trusted source that Rob was about 4-8 weeks away as of the Denver game (3/20).

I like how it's about 4-8 weeks away.  Because 4-8 weeks isn't a vague enough time range on its own.

[jtn27]

FWIW, A poster on laxpower (who also posts in-depth analysis of all the games) said he heard from a trusted source that Rob was about 4-8 weeks away as of the Denver game (3/20).

I like how it's about 4-8 weeks away.  Because 4-8 weeks isn't a vague enough time range on its own.

Also, wasn't Pannell about 6 weeks away when he was first injured 4 weeks ago (2 and a half weeks before the Denver game)? So basically nothing has changed.

[Swampy]

Sorry. I know there is a "key injuries" thread, but I was afraid this might get lost.
Is anyone aware of his progress to date?
Or, if he's lost for the season, any possibility he might be eligible to red-shirt (would he even consider it) next year?

God, I hate the thought of a loss to those OCC grad students!

I doubt he can redshirt. League rules don't allow grad students to play. So I think the only way he could "redshirt" would be to take all Incompletes this semester or drop out of school, do the same next fall, and finish his degree in Spring 2013. ::bang::

OTOH, he was injured at the Army game (3/3), so the end of April will be about two months later. If he can get himself back into game shape by mid-May and finish up with some playing time in the Ivy Championship (5/6) and the NCAA's, we might be reloading come Memorial Day.

One question I see is that the team is doing real well without him and playing a different style (more scoring from midfield) than when was healthy. So how well will he integrate back into the team given the way it's playing?

Not to woof or count chickens, but Syracuse seems to be having an off-year. So that game may not be the monumental clash is has been in recent years. Even without Pannell, the team can beat any team in the country and has yet to reach its peak. (Although let's hope the team can keep up the quality of play we saw during the last quarter at Penn.) With or without Pannell, the Princeton game is going to be tough, as would a rematch in the Ivy tournament. And don't forget Penn had us on the ropes early and Yale took us to overtime. Hopefully we'll continue to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the big dance with or without the Ivy championship.

[Jim Hyla]

FWIW, A poster on laxpower (who also posts in-depth analysis of all the games) said he heard from a trusted source that Rob was about 4-8 weeks away as of the Denver game (3/20).

I like how it's about 4-8 weeks away.  Because 4-8 weeks isn't a vague enough time range on its own.

That's a pretty standard way to say it. No one can be sure about recovery. Without the about everyone would expect that at 8 weeks he would be back; I mean people are counting it down now. The idea is that the vast majority of the time it's 4-8, but it could go longer. Unfortunately that's the way it goes in medicine, especially something where there isn't a study of 500 cases giving the graph of time to recovery. (Now I know someone will find such a study, and prove again that I shouldn't talk about parts of medicine that I don't know that well.::pop:

[Johnny 5]

Sorry. I know there is a "key injuries" thread, but I was afraid this might get lost.
Is anyone aware of his progress to date?
Or, if he's lost for the season, any possibility he might be eligible to red-shirt (would he even consider it) next year?

God, I hate the thought of a loss to those OCC grad students!

Not to woof or count chickens, but Syracuse seems to be having an off-year. So that game may not be the monumental clash is has been in recent years. Even without Pannell, the team can beat any team in the country and has yet to reach its peak. (Although let's hope the team can keep up the quality of play we saw during the last quarter at Penn.) With or without Pannell, the Princeton game is going to be tough, as would a rematch in the Ivy tournament. And don't forget Penn had us on the ropes early and Yale took us to overtime. Hopefully we'll continue to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the big dance with or without the Ivy championship.

All very true.
But, I live in an extremely Florida citrus friendly neighborhood.
And, I get tired of having to resort to the rejoinder, "Well, at least all of our guys have high school diplomas!!"
Maybe this year we'll enjoy a little home field advantage??
Digits entwined.

::cheer:: GO RED!!

[Jim Hyla]

Sorry. I know there is a "key injuries" thread, but I was afraid this might get lost.
Is anyone aware of his progress to date?
Or, if he's lost for the season, any possibility he might be eligible to red-shirt (would he even consider it) next year?

God, I hate the thought of a loss to those OCC grad students!

Not to woof or count chickens, but Syracuse seems to be having an off-year. So that game may not be the monumental clash is has been in recent years. Even without Pannell, the team can beat any team in the country and has yet to reach its peak. (Although let's hope the team can keep up the quality of play we saw during the last quarter at Penn.) With or without Pannell, the Princeton game is going to be tough, as would a rematch in the Ivy tournament. And don't forget Penn had us on the ropes early and Yale took us to overtime. Hopefully we'll continue to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the big dance with or without the Ivy championship.

All very true.
But, I live in an extremely Florida citrus friendly neighborhood.
And, I get tired of having to resort to the rejoinder, "Well, at least all of our guys have high school diplomas!!"
Maybe this year we'll enjoy a little home field advantage??
Digits entwined.

::cheer:: GO RED!!

Since I live in Syracuse, I guess I also live "in an extremely Florida citrus friendly neighborhood". But I have to take issue with your characterization of OCC. There are a number of students who go there for 1-2 years and then transfer. In fact a very prominent Cornell lax player from the 80s went there and transfered to CU. He couldn't have been accepted without it.

It is true that some students go there to finish off what they should have done in high school, but a number of students in my daughters graduating class at Jamesville-Dewitt are going there to save money. Most SU lacrosse players are reasonable students and end up graduating from SU. The same can't be said of their BB players, and I have no idea about FB.

I'm not saying that everyone who goes and transfers could have been accepted at SU as a freshman but there are good reasons to go, even after getting your high school diploma. Not all students can afford a full 4 years tuition, and community colleges offer a good alternative.

[Johnny 5]

Sorry. I know there is a "key injuries" thread, but I was afraid this might get lost.
Is anyone aware of his progress to date?
Or, if he's lost for the season, any possibility he might be eligible to red-shirt (would he even consider it) next year?

God, I hate the thought of a loss to those OCC grad students!

Not to woof or count chickens, but Syracuse seems to be having an off-year. So that game may not be the monumental clash is has been in recent years. Even without Pannell, the team can beat any team in the country and has yet to reach its peak. (Although let's hope the team can keep up the quality of play we saw during the last quarter at Penn.) With or without Pannell, the Princeton game is going to be tough, as would a rematch in the Ivy tournament. And don't forget Penn had us on the ropes early and Yale took us to overtime. Hopefully we'll continue to play well enough to get an at-large bid to the big dance with or without the Ivy championship.

All very true.
But, I live in an extremely Florida citrus friendly neighborhood.
And, I get tired of having to resort to the rejoinder, "Well, at least all of our guys have high school diplomas!!"
Maybe this year we'll enjoy a little home field advantage??
Digits entwined.

::cheer:: GO RED!!

Since I live in Syracuse, I guess I also live "in an extremely Florida citrus friendly neighborhood". But I have to take issue with your characterization of OCC. There are a number of students who go there for 1-2 years and then transfer. In fact a very prominent Cornell lax player from the 80s went there and transfered to CU. He couldn't have been accepted without it.

It is true that some students go there to finish off what they should have done in high school, but a number of students in my daughters graduating class at Jamesville-Dewitt are going there to save money. Most SU lacrosse players are reasonable students and end up graduating from SU. The same can't be said of their BB players, and I have no idea about FB.

I'm not saying that everyone who goes and transfers could have been accepted at SU as a freshman but there are good reasons to go, even after getting your high school diploma. Not all students can afford a full 4 years tuition, and community colleges offer a good alternative.

Jim,
I agree with much of what you say regarding the reasons why good students would choose a community college to continue their education. I'm also sure that any number of former OCC students have gone on to very successful academic and/or athletic careers.

My nephew was the captain of our local HS lacrosse team and now attends OCC. Since he now "hangs" with many OCC lax players I only know from his tales of the questionable scholastic practices of some. But, I do not wish to paint them all with the same social brush.

However, it has always frustrated me that Syracuse, & other scholarship D-1 schools, can find any number of ways to pad their rosters with kids that stretch the meaning of the term "student". But, perhaps the lacrosse team is not the most egregious example.

Mea culpa.

::blush::

[Josh '99]

FWIW, A poster on laxpower (who also posts in-depth analysis of all the games) said he heard from a trusted source that Rob was about 4-8 weeks away as of the Denver game (3/20).

I like how it's about 4-8 weeks away.  Because 4-8 weeks isn't a vague enough time range on its own.

That's a pretty standard way to say it. No one can be sure about recovery. Without the about everyone would expect that at 8 weeks he would be back; I mean people are counting it down now. The idea is that the vast majority of the time it's 4-8, but it could go longer. Unfortunately that's the way it goes in medicine, especially something where there isn't a study of 500 cases giving the graph of time to recovery. (Now I know someone will find such a study, and prove again that I shouldn't talk about parts of medicine that I don't know that well.::pop:

OK, OK, my smartassery bows to your actual understanding of the terminology.  :-)

[BigRedFan]

Does anyone know Rob's plans and if that includes possible return this season? The team is really coming together and the return of Rob would seemingly give them a good opportunity to do well in the NCAA championship playoffs. Laxpower posters, Inside Lacrosse and the Journal have not provided any source with any expected definitive plan ...even with a caveat such as "if goes well".

[semsox]

ESPN1160 had a podcast with Barry Leonard from this past Tuesday prior to the Syracuse game.  They had a fairly lengthy discussion near the end regarding Rob's future, and as someone who spends alot of time with the team on the trips and stuff, Barry was fairly adamant that even Rob doesn't quite know what the rest of the season will entail.  While his progression from the scooter to seemingly comfortably walking in the boot is encouraging, I think this really might just be a case of no one really knows.

[Swampy]

ESPN1160 had a podcast with Barry Leonard from this past Tuesday prior to the Syracuse game.  They had a fairly lengthy discussion near the end regarding Rob's future, and as someone who spends alot of time with the team on the trips and stuff, Barry was fairly adamant that even Rob doesn't quite know what the rest of the season will entail.  While his progression from the scooter to seemingly comfortably walking in the boot is encouraging, I think this really might just be a case of no one really knows.

The original estimate was that this sort of injury usually takes 4-8 weeks to heal. I put next week's Brown game at 7 weeks, and Princeton at 8. So if he's not healed by then, albeit perhaps not in game condition, I wouldn't count on him for the rest of the season.

But then, what do I know? Maybe one of the MD's on the board can shed some light on the topic.