Bracketology article

Started by Tom Pasniewski 98, March 04, 2003, 07:37:27 AM

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Tom Pasniewski 98

A good thorough analysis by Jayson Moy as to potential seedings:

http://www.uscho.com/news/2003/03/03_006320.php

Some comments:

1.  He pretty much used the exact criteria the NCAA set and didn't deviate.  We should assume the Committee won't either.
2.  Neither Maine nor Cornell draws the MAAC or CHA champions in his pairings.
3.  He assigns Cornell to the East Regional with Providence but Providence is the host of the Northeast Regional, not the East Regional as he states so I presume his brackets are reversed for the East and Northeast Regionals
4.  For beating Providence in Providence, we would draw either a rematch with UHN or North Dakota which is really a #2 seed that's been playing like a #4 seed lately.  
5.  His brackets don't hold if Cornell doesn't win the ECAC championship.

Lenny 01

I think it's sucks that we end up playing Providence whose playing well in their home rink.  
But, we will see what happens anyway.
Either way, to be the best we must be able to beat every team in the country.
These guys can do it.
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Mo Kelly

I agree playing PC in Providence is not an ideal draw but with only 4 games to win the whole thing - every game ends up being a tough one.  

Question?  Although the Dunkin Donuts Center would still be considered their home rink doesn't PC play most of their home games at a rink on campus?

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Tom Pasniewski 98

North Dakota's last game at the Dunkin' Donuts Center, then called the Providence Civic Center resulted in them winning the 2000 National Championship.  And yes Providence plays its home games at Schneider Arena.  

Cornell last played at Providence early in the 1999-2000 season and lost.  But none of that matters because that's in the past.

What does matter is UND's experience in the NCAA tournament.  Their senior class has played in two national championship games winning one of them.

rhovorka

[Q]3. He assigns Cornell to the East Regional with Providence but Providence is the host of the Northeast Regional, not the East Regional as he states so I presume his brackets are reversed for the East and Northeast Regionals[/Q]
Nomenclature isn't important at all in this case, but I think Jayson has it right.  The "East Regional" is in Providence, and the "Northeast Regional" is in Worcester.  Four sources:

USCHO: http://www.uscho.com/m/ncaad1/?data=tournament
NCAA: http://www.ncaasports.com/icehockey/mens/story/arc_story/9930#d1_m_ice_hockey
Worcester Centrum: http://www.centrumcentre.com/event_detail.cfm?rec=807&DayPassed=Mar-01-2003
Donut Center: http://www.provcc.com/new_site/events_frame.htm
Rich H '96

Adam

See Mo, I disagree that every game neccesarily would be a tough one no matter how the cards are stacked.  In fact, I would argue that playing Mercyhurst or 'Bama would be very easy games for Cornell.  See QU last year.

Sure, we never like to "woof" or whatever people on here say....but at some point realism has to take hold.  Playing a MAAC or CHA team is easy; playing Providence in Providence is not.
President, Beef-N-Cheese Academic Society 1998-2001

beanmaestro

I suspect the Providence problem may well go away. They're only a #4 seed if they finish #13 or #14 and there aren't any surprise tourney winners.
If BU sweeps them, it may knock them down a spot or two and out of the tourney.
If they sweep BU, they may well make it up to #12 and be a #3 seed.

Then all we need to do is TCoB and worry later about who we draw.

Tom Pasniewski 98

Sorry, I knew that but didn't double check before posting.  Just assumed that since Worcester was hosting the East regional for this year long before there was such a thing as a Northeast regional that the additional regional (Providence) was the Northeast.  Again, meaningless.

Greg Berge

> Playing a MAAC or CHA team is easy;

All over the WCHA, CCHA, and HE, they are saying the same thing about you-know-who.

CrazyLarry

Its a snapshot in time, and the only reason for drawing Providence is that two WCHA teams are #4 seeds and 2 are #1 seeds.  That will not persist, it can't, some of them have to lose.  So, I wouldn't be too concerned yet.  I'm not big on these IFSET things.  The season doesn't end today, so no use telling me what the seedings are if it did.  Maybe in two weeks, it'd mean a little more.

Adam

Greg, I'm sure they are saying that...but you know as well as I do that we're better than Mercyhurst, 'Bama, et al.  QU was god awful last year, I would only expect more of the same from a similiar team this year.

Providence on the other hand has beaten some very good teams and plays top competition all year long.
President, Beef-N-Cheese Academic Society 1998-2001

PRR94

So is it possible that from an NCAA seeding perspective, Cornell is better off getting to but losing the ECAC final?  Assuming they could still retain a #1 seed, this would make the last 3 seeds the ECAC, CHA, and MAAC tourney winners.

This would decrease our odds of playing Providence in the first round and increase our odds of playing the CHA/MAAC to avoid a 1st round intraconference matchup with the ECAC team.

Not saying I want them to lose, just food for thought.

ugarte

Not in Boston, Columbus or Kalamazoo.  And probably not in Orono or Durham either.


ugarte

Getting a 2 seed (a very plausible result of losing the ECAC tourney) would also increase our chances of going West.  I do not want to do anything that would increase our chances of going West. We would be much worse off playing Minnesota in Minnesota or Michigan in Michigan than we would be playing Providence in Providence.