Cornell 1 RPI 2 (ot)

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Two questions -- how many 3rd period leads have we blown this year and what is our record in those games?

Games in which we have blown third period leads:

Game # / Opponent / Result / Notes

1 / Merchyhurst / L / Led 4-3 with 10 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
3 / at Brown/ L / Led 4-3 with 8 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
15 / at CC / T / Led 3-2 with 30 seconds to go, gave up 1 goal.
17 / Princeton / T / Led 3-0 with 17 minutes to go, gave up 3 goals.
18 / Dartmouth / W / Led 3-2 with 11 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
19 / Harvard / T / Led 2-1 with  minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
21 / at Colgate / L / Led 3-1 with 16 minutes to go, gave up 4 goals including an empty netter.
22 / at RPI / T / Led 2-0 with 18 minutes to go, gave up 2 goals (in 90 seconds).
23 / at Union / T / Led 4-3 with 3 minutes to, gave up tying goal.
26 / at Clarkson / T / Led 1-0 with 7 minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
27 / at St. Lawrence / W / Led 3-2 with 16 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
29 / RPI / L / Led 1-0 with 3  minutes to go, gave up tying goal but lost in overtime.

So, the answers to your questions are 12, and 2-4-6.

In an alternative universe in which Cornell holds all 12 leads, they finish 20-1-1 in the ECAC and 25-3-1 overall.

In an alternate world where we hold even a reasonable proportion of those leads we're a national title contender.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Two questions -- how many 3rd period leads have we blown this year and what is our record in those games?

Games in which we have blown third period leads:

Game # / Opponent / Result / Notes

1 / Merchyhurst / L / Led 4-3 with 10 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
3 / at Brown/ L / Led 4-3 with 8 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
15 / at CC / T / Led 3-2 with 30 seconds to go, gave up 1 goal.
17 / Princeton / T / Led 3-0 with 17 minutes to go, gave up 3 goals.
18 / Dartmouth / W / Led 3-2 with 11 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
19 / Harvard / T / Led 2-1 with  minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
21 / at Colgate / L / Led 3-1 with 16 minutes to go, gave up 4 goals including an empty netter.
22 / at RPI / T / Led 2-0 with 18 minutes to go, gave up 2 goals (in 90 seconds).
23 / at Union / T / Led 4-3 with 3 minutes to, gave up tying goal.
26 / at Clarkson / T / Led 1-0 with 7 minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
27 / at St. Lawrence / W / Led 3-2 with 16 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
29 / RPI / L / Led 1-0 with 3  minutes to go, gave up tying goal but lost in overtime.

So, the answers to your questions are 12, and 2-4-6.

In an alternative universe in which Cornell holds all 12 leads, they finish 20-1-1 in the ECAC and 25-3-1 overall.

In an alternate world where we hold even a reasonable proportion of those leads we're a national title contender.

Win our next 4 games and we still are.

[ugarte]

Two questions -- how many 3rd period leads have we blown this year and what is our record in those games?

Games in which we have blown third period leads:

Game # / Opponent / Result / Notes

1 / Merchyhurst / L / Led 4-3 with 10 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
3 / at Brown/ L / Led 4-3 with 8 mins to go, gave up 2 goals.
15 / at CC / T / Led 3-2 with 30 seconds to go, gave up 1 goal.
17 / Princeton / T / Led 3-0 with 17 minutes to go, gave up 3 goals.
18 / Dartmouth / W / Led 3-2 with 11 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
19 / Harvard / T / Led 2-1 with  minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
21 / at Colgate / L / Led 3-1 with 16 minutes to go, gave up 4 goals including an empty netter.
22 / at RPI / T / Led 2-0 with 18 minutes to go, gave up 2 goals (in 90 seconds).
23 / at Union / T / Led 4-3 with 3 minutes to, gave up tying goal.
26 / at Clarkson / T / Led 1-0 with 7 minutes to go, gave up tying goal.
27 / at St. Lawrence / W / Led 3-2 with 16 minutes to go, gave up tying goal but won in overtime.
29 / RPI / L / Led 1-0 with 3  minutes to go, gave up tying goal but lost in overtime.

So, the answers to your questions are 12, and 2-4-6.

In an alternative universe in which Cornell holds all 12 leads, they finish 20-1-1 in the ECAC and 25-3-1 overall.

In an alternate world where we hold even a reasonable proportion of those leads we're a national title contender.

As my grandfather used to say, in Yiddish, if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. The team lost those leads because they are the kind of team that loses those leads. The better way to look at it is "if this were good enough to be a national title contender, we'd hold our leads." More to the point, we wouldn't be up by a single goal against RPI at home with three minutes to play.

Dafatone: The season as a whole has been excellent if we are looking at it from the perspective of "would we have taken this result at the beginning of the year." Having lived through the year, and seen how this result came to be... it is incredibly frustrating and I'm not sure why you think being frustrated about it is so eyerolling.

[Al DeFlorio]

Dafatone:  The season as a whole has been excellent if we are looking at it from the perspective of "would we have taken this
result at the beginning of the year." Having lived through the year, and seen how this result came to be... it is incredibly frustrating and I'm not sure why you think being frustrated about it is so eyerolling.

Sums the situation up pretty much perfectly.

[Dafatone]

Dafatone:  The season as a whole has been excellent if we are looking at it from the perspective of "would we have taken this
result at the beginning of the year." Having lived through the year, and seen how this result came to be... it is incredibly frustrating and I'm not sure why you think being frustrated about it is so eyerolling.

Sums the situation up pretty much perfectly.

I was probably a little more pissy than necessary.  Yes, it has been a frustrating season, and all the lost 3rd period leads are heartbreaking and very much not what we've come to expect from Cornell over the years.  That being said, there's a difference between being frustrated and giving up on the season, which was the attitude I was responding to.  This team could flame out or go very far.  Hard to figure out which.  I tend to be a little more optimistic than most, but how else is a Mets fan supposed to survive?

[marty]

Don't know what to say, when you have to have it.....
Expect nothing from this team.  I'm looking ahead already.  To next year I mean....

How dare they only finish in 2nd in the conference in a year that they weren't expected to dominate.

How dare they.

::rolleyes::

That was just massive disappointment talking.  Yes, this team has finished higher than we had any reason to expect but I still see the end result as a massive underachievement.  To have the Jell-O Mold in our hand, playing a team well down the standings at home, and blowing the game in the third and in OT....
Not much to feel confident about.

FYP

Why is everyone fixating upon losing a trophy that most of us do not care about typically? The last time we won the ECAC, we began with a number two seed. The only real disappointment that came with the number two seed for me, notwithstanding the poor loss to RPI that caused it, was that we did not prevent Union from winning back-to-back number one seeds. I sat near Union fans during the Friday game and they have begun to view themselves as the "dominant power" in ECAC history. I directed their attention to the rafters. They needed a little perspective. (Also, are hockey fans of a "dominant power" so shocked by how loud Lynah is that they must plug their ears when Cornell scores?).

Hard to believe that anyone who has spent a fair share of time at Messa Achilles Rink Center (Whatever they'll call it when someone else ponies up some dough) would plug their ears at a game.

The bozos at Messa Achilles play god awful mp3s on speakers that look like Mr. Messa couldn't afford Bose's and decided to have a chop shop in Rotterdam throw together something that looks kinda like a Bose.  They're hung from the effin' rafters by chains that were cast off from the aforementioned chop shop and over-amplified to the point that my dear wife is now requesting a pass on visiting an otherwise beautiful campus.

Why in the hell are they trying to make the rink into Schenectady's answer to an NBA arena?

[BMac]

Agreed! You'll never get a good audience for your Cornell sports  talk show if you're restricting yourself from promoting the show at the most vibrant online forum for Cornell sports!

[BearLover]

Don't know what to say, when you have to have it.....
Expect nothing from this team.  I'm looking ahead already.  To next year I mean....

How dare they only finish in 2nd in the conference in a year that they weren't expected to dominate.

How dare they.

::rolleyes::

That was just massive disappointment talking.  Yes, this team has finished higher than we had any reason to expect but I still see the end result as a massive underachievement.  To have the Jell-O Mold in our hand, playing a team well down the standings at home, and blowing the game in the third and in OT....
Not much to feel confident about.

FYP

Why is everyone fixating upon losing a trophy that most of us do not care about typically? The last time we won the ECAC, we began with a number two seed. The only real disappointment that came with the number two seed for me, notwithstanding the poor loss to RPI that caused it, was that we did not prevent Union from winning back-to-back number one seeds. I sat near Union fans during the Friday game and they have begun to view themselves as the "dominant power" in ECAC history. I directed their attention to the rafters. They needed a little perspective. (Also, are hockey fans of a "dominant power" so shocked by how loud Lynah is that they must plug their ears when Cornell scores?).

The team does play proportionately to the quality of our opponents this season. The team has been anything but predictable. Losses to Mercyhurst, UMass, and Brown. Wins and close games with BU, CC, and Union. I am not that worried about the ECAC Tournament. We have the advantage of Lynah in the Quarterfinals. We will have crucial player(s) back. We will face better opponents as a number two seed than we would have as a number one seed. Considering the trend of proportional play, I like our chances playing against a WCHA team in the heart of their territory than playing "mediocre" opponents out East.

It's not the loss of the trophy that is upsetting. It's more the fact that we dropped to 16th in the pairwise rankings. Now we have no margin for error going forward if we want to make the NCAAs; we have to win the ECAC. Had we won, we could have afforded to lose once we got to Atlantic City.

We knew that we would have to perform in the ECACs. That is not news to anyone. ECAC play and our PWR does not exist in a vacuum. UMass reappearing on the PWR affected our rank more than a bad overtime loss to RPI. Cornell had no control over UMass' reappearance on the PWR. If a series of things go right, that would be fruitless to enumerate now because of how many games will be played before the NCAAs, then we have still almost exactly the same probability of getting an at-large as we did going into Saturday's game. 2009, the last time that Cornell got an at-large bid, Cornell needed to make it to the ECAC Final game to assure it. The tone and outlook of the season did not change even though a more than eight year  streak was broken last night.

It's a disappointing loss because
a) It hurts our PWR.  Yes, there are some things we can't control, but there are some things we can.  No one is going to regret what UMass does, but we are going to regret missed opportunities by Cornell.
b) We're a better team than RPI.
c) The previous game was awesome. To follow that up with this clunker really killed our momentum going into the postseason (whether momentum actually matters is debatable).  
d) It was senior night, and it just sucks for the seniors (biggest disappointment for me).  Watching the ceremony was more bitter than sweet this year, thanks to the loss.  
e) WE BLEW ANOTHER THIRD PERIOD LEAD

You may not have expected this team to make the NCAAs at the outset of the season, but I did.  Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but if you take a team that was one game away last year and add our best recruiting class in a long time, I think we are perfectly capable of competing nationally.  And even if we weren't expected to make the tourney, it doesn't mean once we have the opportunity it's acceptable to squander it.  This team is really good, and these players aren't going to be around forever, and judging from their reactions this was much more than a typical loss.

[ursusminor]

Don't know what to say, when you have to have it.....
Expect nothing from this team.  I'm looking ahead already.  To next year I mean....

How dare they only finish in 2nd in the conference in a year that they weren't expected to dominate.

How dare they.

::rolleyes::

That was just massive disappointment talking.  Yes, this team has finished higher than we had any reason to expect but I still see the end result as a massive underachievement.  To have the Jell-O Mold in our hand, playing a team well down the standings at home, and blowing the game in the third and in OT....
Not much to feel confident about.

FYP

Why is everyone fixating upon losing a trophy that most of us do not care about typically? The last time we won the ECAC, we began with a number two seed. The only real disappointment that came with the number two seed for me, notwithstanding the poor loss to RPI that caused it, was that we did not prevent Union from winning back-to-back number one seeds. I sat near Union fans during the Friday game and they have begun to view themselves as the "dominant power" in ECAC history. I directed their attention to the rafters. They needed a little perspective. (Also, are hockey fans of a "dominant power" so shocked by how loud Lynah is that they must plug their ears when Cornell scores?).

The team does play proportionately to the quality of our opponents this season. The team has been anything but predictable. Losses to Mercyhurst, UMass, and Brown. Wins and close games with BU, CC, and Union. I am not that worried about the ECAC Tournament. We have the advantage of Lynah in the Quarterfinals. We will have crucial player(s) back. We will face better opponents as a number two seed than we would have as a number one seed. Considering the trend of proportional play, I like our chances playing against a WCHA team in the heart of their territory than playing "mediocre" opponents out East.

It's not the loss of the trophy that is upsetting. It's more the fact that we dropped to 16th in the pairwise rankings. Now we have no margin for error going forward if we want to make the NCAAs; we have to win the ECAC. Had we won, we could have afforded to lose once we got to Atlantic City.

We knew that we would have to perform in the ECACs. That is not news to anyone. ECAC play and our PWR does not exist in a vacuum. UMass reappearing on the PWR affected our rank more than a bad overtime loss to RPI. Cornell had no control over UMass' reappearance on the PWR. If a series of things go right, that would be fruitless to enumerate now because of how many games will be played before the NCAAs, then we have still almost exactly the same probability of getting an at-large as we did going into Saturday's game. 2009, the last time that Cornell got an at-large bid, Cornell needed to make it to the ECAC Final game to assure it. The tone and outlook of the season did not change even though a more than eight year  streak was broken last night.

It's a disappointing loss because
a) It hurts our PWR.  Yes, there are some things we can't control, but there are some things we can.  No one is going to regret what UMass does, but we are going to regret missed opportunities by Cornell.
b) We're a better team than RPI.
c) The previous game was awesome. To follow that up with this clunker really killed our momentum going into the postseason (whether momentum actually matters is debatable).  
d) It was senior night, and it just sucks for the seniors (biggest disappointment for me).  Watching the ceremony was more bitter than sweet this year, thanks to the loss.  
e) WE BLEW ANOTHER THIRD PERIOD LEAD

You may not have expected this team to make the NCAAs at the outset of the season, but I did.  Maybe I'm just too optimistic, but if you take a team that was one game away last year and add our best recruiting class in a long time, I think we are perfectly capable of competing nationally.  And even if we weren't expected to make the tourney, it doesn't mean once we have the opportunity it's acceptable to squander it.  This team is really good, and these players aren't going to be around forever, and judging from their reactions this was much more than a typical loss.

As an RPI fan, I see things from a different perspective than you do. Cornell is indeed a better team than RPI, but not by that much. RPI underperformed terribly in the early part of the year. The reasons for that are not relevant to this, but it took a while for the coaching staff to realize that the strength of this team on offense is in the underclassmen. Note that three of five senior forwards did not dress, although one who did, Pat Cullen, had a great game.

What did surprise me was that RPI outshot Cornell despite the disparity in penalties. Someone wrote that Cornell was suffering from the effects of the flu. That probably also was part of the reason for the outcome of the game. I don't think that Cornell took RPI lightly based upon the result of the game in Troy.

[Al DeFlorio]

What did surprise me was that RPI outshot Cornell despite the disparity in penalties. Someone wrote that Cornell was suffering from the effects of the flu. That probably also was part of the reason for the outcome of the game. I don't think that Cornell took RPI lightly based upon the result of the game in Troy.

Interestingly, Schafer made no comment about flu in his rather scathing remarks about the team's performance Saturday night as reported in today's Ithaca Journal: http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20120226/SPORTS03/202260364/Cornell-suffers-devastating-defeat-men-s-hockey?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

[Jordan 04]

What did surprise me was that RPI outshot Cornell despite the disparity in penalties. Someone wrote that Cornell was suffering from the effects of the flu. That probably also was part of the reason for the outcome of the game. I don't think that Cornell took RPI lightly based upon the result of the game in Troy.

Interestingly, Schafer made no comment about flu in his rather scathing remarks about the team's performance Saturday night as reported in today's Ithaca Journal: http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20120226/SPORTS03/202260364/Cornell-suffers-devastating-defeat-men-s-hockey?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

Nor should he, even if there is truth to the rumor.

[ursusminor]

What did surprise me was that RPI outshot Cornell despite the disparity in penalties. Someone wrote that Cornell was suffering from the effects of the flu. That probably also was part of the reason for the outcome of the game. I don't think that Cornell took RPI lightly based upon the result of the game in Troy.

Interestingly, Schafer made no comment about flu in his rather scathing remarks about the team's performance Saturday night as reported in today's Ithaca Journal: http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20120226/SPORTS03/202260364/Cornell-suffers-devastating-defeat-men-s-hockey?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

I see that editing in the Ithaca Journal is as high quality as the Troy Record

Schafer argued afterward that icing should have been called on Union

[jtn27]

I see that editing in the Ithaca Journal is as high quality as the Troy Record

Schafer argued afterward that icing should have been called on Union

The Ithaca Journal is perhaps best known for sucking. I don't think that there's any question that the Sun is the best paper in Ithaca (although as a Sun writer I am a bit biased).

[ursusminor]

The Ithaca Journal is perhaps best known for sucking. I don't think that there's any question that the Sun is the best paper in Ithaca (although as a Sun writer I am a bit biased).

Any glaring misspellings in headlines lately http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2012/02/25/sports/doc4f487a252c30f137435272.txt?

[Rosey]

The Ithaca Journal is perhaps best known for sucking. I don't think that there's any question that the Sun is the best paper in Ithaca (although as a Sun writer I am a bit biased).

What percentage of columnists these days are exhibitionists posing as sex experts? I think back when I was a student it was close to 100%.