Not a goal?

[css228]

Yea we lost (was it expected? Honestly, yes). I took a lot of positives from this game. We dominated at times, as in most of the game. We are a very young team. I was there tonite with a party of 8 and I told all of them we will be playing in the frozen four within 2 years. We are that good. I have no doubt about it. I await the hecklng

Still, if we miss the NCAAs because some incompetent HEA refs handed BU this games, I'm gonna be pretty pissed.

[ugarte]

What about the first one that was waved off? What did the people watching at home see?

[css228]

What about the first one that was waved off? What did the people watching at home see?

According to ELynah twitter net came up.

[Chris '03]

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What about the first one that was waved off? What did the people watching at home see?

According to ELynah twitter net came up.[/quote]

Never went in. It managed to hit the post after going over Millan's head.

[ajh258]

The simple fact is that the ref blew his whistle when the puck was on the goalies shoulder, a fraction of a sec. before it crossed the goal line. It was clear on the overhead replay.

Edit: Slowposting on my iPhone.

Well, the jumbotron didn't have speakers and it's still the referees' human error to assume that it was a dead puck when it was not.

The ref is supposed to blow the play dead when he loses sight of the puck. Nobody knew where it was. He blew it dead like he is supposed to. There are plenty of decisions from the officials to bitch about tonight. This isn't one.
Cornell had a ton of chances amd couldn't convert. It's a tough loss. Would love to see BU again in March or April.

I understand there is no point in debating this right now, but I remain unconviced. Just because the official lost sight of the puck and blew it dead, does not mean it can't be overturned as a goal. The question here is not whether the official blew it dead or not, the question is when did he do it.
Now, if there is conclusive evidence for those of you watching at home that the whistle blew before the puck crossed the goal line, then this wouldn't matter. However, I doubt the review video had sound and I'm pretty sure most of us at MSG heard the whistle well after BU's goalie reacted to the puck, which means it would've been in by that point. What the refs "intended" shouldn't matter in this instance unless they actually blew the whistle beforehand.

[imafrshmn]

The simple fact is that the ref blew his whistle when the puck was on the goalies shoulder, a fraction of a sec. before it crossed the goal line. It was clear on the overhead replay.

Edit: Slowposting on my iPhone.

Well, the jumbotron didn't have speakers and it's still the referees' human error to assume that it was a dead puck when it was not.

The ref is supposed to blow the play dead when he loses sight of the puck. Nobody knew where it was. He blew it dead like he is supposed to. There are plenty of decisions from the officials to bitch about tonight. This isn't one.
Cornell had a ton of chances amd couldn't convert. It's a tough loss. Would love to see BU again in March or April.

I understand there is no point in debating this right now, but I remain unconviced. Just because the official lost sight of the puck and blew it dead, does not mean it can't be overturned as a goal. The question here is not whether the official blew it dead or not, the question is when did he do it.
Now, if there is conclusive evidence for those of you watching at home that the whistle blew before the puck crossed the goal line, then this wouldn't matter. However, I doubt the review video had sound and I'm pretty sure most of us at MSG heard the whistle well after BU's goalie reacted to the puck, which means it would've been in by that point. What the refs "intended" shouldn't matter in this instance unless they actually blew the whistle beforehand.

Your ears at MSG may have been deceiving.  The time for the sound to reach your ear probably would have been long enough to be heard (from your seat) after the puck went in.

[MattShaf]

At the game, we had a great vantage for the first no goal. Net came off the far mooring. It looked to us however that the puck landed on the goal line and bounced immediately out then a real quick whistle with the puck still in loose in the crease. But, perhaps that was with our Cornell tinted glasses.
Cornell owned that second period (especially the 4x4) and should have scored 3-4 times. But the Red missed the net, didn't bury the puck or get the right bounce onto an open stick.
Hats off the BU defenders who seem to knock down at least a dozen or shots in front of the net.
FWIW, the Birch penalty off the faceoff leading to the 5x3 was right in front of us as well and was a poor call. You make your own luck but the refs did us no favors tonight.

[ajh258]

The simple fact is that the ref blew his whistle when the puck was on the goalies shoulder, a fraction of a sec. before it crossed the goal line. It was clear on the overhead replay.

Edit: Slowposting on my iPhone.

Well, the jumbotron didn't have speakers and it's still the referees' human error to assume that it was a dead puck when it was not.

The ref is supposed to blow the play dead when he loses sight of the puck. Nobody knew where it was. He blew it dead like he is supposed to. There are plenty of decisions from the officials to bitch about tonight. This isn't one.
Cornell had a ton of chances amd couldn't convert. It's a tough loss. Would love to see BU again in March or April.

I understand there is no point in debating this right now, but I remain unconviced. Just because the official lost sight of the puck and blew it dead, does not mean it can't be overturned as a goal. The question here is not whether the official blew it dead or not, the question is when did he do it.
Now, if there is conclusive evidence for those of you watching at home that the whistle blew before the puck crossed the goal line, then this wouldn't matter. However, I doubt the review video had sound and I'm pretty sure most of us at MSG heard the whistle well after BU's goalie reacted to the puck, which means it would've been in by that point. What the refs "intended" shouldn't matter in this instance unless they actually blew the whistle beforehand.

Your ears at MSG may have been deceiving.  The time for the sound to reach your ear probably would have been long enough to be heard (from your seat) after the puck went in.

That's true. I was on the other end. Damn the laws of physics.

[css228]

The simple fact is that the ref blew his whistle when the puck was on the goalies shoulder, a fraction of a sec. before it crossed the goal line. It was clear on the overhead replay.

Edit: Slowposting on my iPhone.

Well, the jumbotron didn't have speakers and it's still the referees' human error to assume that it was a dead puck when it was not.

The ref is supposed to blow the play dead when he loses sight of the puck. Nobody knew where it was. He blew it dead like he is supposed to. There are plenty of decisions from the officials to bitch about tonight. This isn't one.
Cornell had a ton of chances amd couldn't convert. It's a tough loss. Would love to see BU again in March or April.

I understand there is no point in debating this right now, but I remain unconviced. Just because the official lost sight of the puck and blew it dead, does not mean it can't be overturned as a goal. The question here is not whether the official blew it dead or not, the question is when did he do it.
Now, if there is conclusive evidence for those of you watching at home that the whistle blew before the puck crossed the goal line, then this wouldn't matter. However, I doubt the review video had sound and I'm pretty sure most of us at MSG heard the whistle well after BU's goalie reacted to the puck, which means it would've been in by that point. What the refs "intended" shouldn't matter in this instance unless they actually blew the whistle beforehand.

Your ears at MSG may have been deceiving.  The time for the sound to reach your ear probably would have been long enough to be heard (from your seat) after the puck went in.

That's true. I was on the other end. Damn the laws of physics.

Schafer in the post game interview "There was no whistle. Everyone in the arena could hear the no whistle."

[A-19]

Just got back from the game.  The officiating was horrendous.  Yes, Cornell did its own part in the loss by failing to capitalize on scoring chances in the second and third periods.  But it just seemed like every time there was a legitimate BU penalty, CU was called for some nonsense matching minor.  The obstruction/interference call leading to the 5x3 and the first goal was ridiculous; it occurred two seconds from the faceoff after the first penalty, no less.  

My seats were directly behind the goal Cornell defended for two periods.  The first no goal -- net was coming out of one mooring, and as CU collapsed towards the crease the BU goaltender upended the net in exaggerated fashion.

Real shame we weren't able to capitalize on the power play when the BU goalie was stickless for a good 45 seconds.

The second no-goal was way down the ice from our vantage point.  Unless the puck hit the safety net (I haven't heard that it did), the ref made a horrific call blowing the play dead.  Replay shows the puck flip in the air and hit Millan on either the head of back/shoulder, bouncing directly into the net.  When the ref started looking for the puck and it was in the back of the net the building erupted.

Iles made some excellent saves, to include the stop on the breakaway in the first period.  The fanbase was also excellent.  We seemed to comprise 75% or more of the fans in attendance.  

It's a shame to see the shoddy officiating play an important role in a game like this.

[Dafatone]

This was a weird game in a lot of respects.  BU outhit us pretty solidly, which I wasn't expecting.  Jillison (who I recall was pretty good, been a while since I've seen more than a game or two a season) looked awful all night, and yet wound up with our goal.  D'Agostino had a lot of trouble handling the puck behind the net, and Ross was a little slow around some bouncing pucks in front of the net.  We took about 40,000 shots at BU's ankles and sticks.

Still, we looked good for the most part, outplayed them most of the game, and had chances and some pretty plays.  Millan made one AMAZING save in the 2nd period, and we lost on an absolutely ridiculous deflection.  Oh well.

[BearLover]

The game was incredibly exciting, but the refs ruined it.  It takes a lot for me to blame the refs, but they earned it tonight.

[ajh258]

Still, we looked good for the most part, outplayed them most of the game, and had chances and some pretty plays.  Millan made one AMAZING save in the 2nd period, and we lost on an absolutely ridiculous deflection.  Oh well.

There's no doubt we had better puck control during periods 2 and 3. However, like you said, Millan was great and Terriers' D outplayed us on numerous occasions. Additionally, we weren't winning the small battles, and whenever we did, we simply set up an overload or umbrella. This is great in theory, but it doesn't work well if we can't catch our opponent out of position, which was often the case. Schafer needs to start changing things up a bit mid-period instead of just waiting for the puck to eventually bounce in. We, as fans, have been waiting long enough, and a team as talented as this is fully capable of beating the BU team that skated against us tonight.

[RM 08]

From my vantage point in 209 (CU zone), the whistle blew before the puck came down. I guess I was one of the only people to see that it was in the air. At the time I was screaming that the puck was in, but no one seemed to agree until Millan moved away. The whole time they were reviewing it I had the sickening feeling that it would come down to the whistle blowing while the puck was in the air.

Haven't been able to see a game in almost a year, and I won't even pretend to know the line combinations, but tonight we absolutely dominated play for the last 43 minutes of regulation. At no point was I worried about a second BU goal. It was as though the team realized they could skate and hit with BU (after 17 minutes of getting outskated and outhit), and once they turned it on, there was almost constant offensive pressure. Unfortunately, this team suffers from the same sickness as the Rangers I've watched many times at the Garden this year: the need for the extra pass. I have no doubt that with some more SOGs, a rebound would have been there for the tying or go ahead goal on a number of occasions.

The refs were abysmal. I can only remember one or two games I have ever blamed the refs for a loss, and this has to be one of them. The obstruction/interference call was ridiculous. It was strictly a call so that the refs could maintain control. I understand needing to take charge and not let the game get out of hand, I've been in that position as an official before. But there is no excuse for calling a penalty on first player contact when it's already a power play. The fact that it ended up being the difference in the game just makes it worse. The embellishment, a classic case of an unsure ref evening things out. The fact that they missed two hookings, a contact to the head/roughing (does forcing a mask off not count all of a sudden?), a holding the stick, and a tripping penalty didn't help. Maybe the Red should have embellished the infractions more to help them out...

Frankly, having not seen a game this year before tonight, I was impressed. This team, with better passing (geez, I know the Garden ice sucks, but how many times can you lose possession of the puck with no pressure) and more shots on goal, can certainly make some noise in the NCAAs if given the chance. Can't wait to catch them at Princeton in a couple of months.

[polar]

If the whistle was blown before the puck was in the net, even a fraction, it's no goal. As far as we know, Millan moved because he heard a whistle, and would have been better positioned for that split second if the play wasn't dead. Unfortunate, but far from unfair. The penalty calls were the bizarre part for me. Calling an extra minor off a faceoff, resulting in a 5 on 3 that leads to the opening goal, is gutsy at the least. The 'embellishment' call later on was just dumb.

Nevertheless, CU had their chances. We had no PPGs on plenty of chances, and were barely able to maintain possession in BU's zone, much less create good chances. Saying that the refs stole this one discredits Boston's solid defense and cheapens what was an entertaining game all around. I'm definitely looking forward to the next time these two teams meet, whether it's two years from now or sooner.