CU-PU Lacrosse

[phillysportsfan]

crowd is never that great for lacrosse, not enough students or not enough students in the same place

[Jim Hyla]

A good win after an atrocious start (we defended really poorly and were getting killed on the faceoffs). West did very well in goal when he came in, and pulling it back to two goals at halftime was big. My friends and I taunted the Princeton players after the game, they cursed at us, we laughed. A good afternoon all around.

You taunted the Princeton players? No surprise that they cursed at you.

I think the point is, you taunted them "after the game."  Your "mission accomplished" is (besides those players thinking of you as assholes,) they will play with increased intensity against us next year just to stick it to us.  Not the same as in-game taunts meant to get in  their heads and disrupt them during the game. It's childish, classless, and just stupid.

Thanks for being more direct than I was. I thought the ? would make my point, but although in person, with emphasis on taunted and an up turn at the ?, it might have, in print it didn't. Maybe, "You taunted the Princeton players?" would have been better.

[billhoward]

It's possible the two teams may be closer because of the common bond of the sport than the fans are to the opposing fans (um, I suppose that's obvious) and within the lax community where parents know each other from HS/prep lacrosse, they stick with cheering their own sides, not harassing the opponents. (This is not always true in midget hockey. The game brings out the trailer trash in even cultured parents.)

One exception to fans-as-enemies: I still remember how cordial the Virginia fans were Monday morning at the tailgates in 2009 in Foxborough as we headed into our Little Big Horn showdown with Syracuse. Of course, they'd just suffered a major whipping. And they knew the Brattons were young and great things were in the offing for the Cavaliers, so why worry when the future looked great.

If you KNEW you could affect the outcome of the game with something that was witty or caustic, maybe it's part of a greater support-your-team effort. But razzing a team that gave its all and isn't going to be playing lax for nine more months ... I dunno. Maybe it just gives them more incentive next year.

Once in a while, something caustic is overwhelmingly funny. I think it was the year Ryan Vesce put up 7 points in a 7-0 win at Princeton, 2003. Late in the game as the players settled in for a faceoff and the rink grew quiet (the few Princeton fans had already headed for the exits), a Cornellian yelled out to the Tigers captain, "Hey, [captain], it's nine o'clock, your team sucks, and you can't score." That, I thought, was funny, and so did a lot of the crowd.

[Ben]

A good win after an atrocious start (we defended really poorly and were getting killed on the faceoffs). West did very well in goal when he came in, and pulling it back to two goals at halftime was big. My friends and I taunted the Princeton players after the game, they cursed at us, we laughed. A good afternoon all around.

You taunted the Princeton players? No surprise that they cursed at you.

I think the point is, you taunted them "after the game."  Your "mission accomplished" is (besides those players thinking of you as assholes,) they will play with increased intensity against us next year just to stick it to us.  Not the same as in-game taunts meant to get in  their heads and disrupt them during the game. It's childish, classless, and just stupid.

Thanks for being more direct than I was. I thought the ? would make my point, but although in person, with emphasis on taunted and an up turn at the ?, it might have, in print it didn't. Maybe, "You taunted the Princeton players?" would have been better.

So "season's over" is no longer an acceptable chant at Cornell sporting events? I'll keep that in mind.

[ugarte]

... they will play with increased intensity against us next year just to stick it to us....

Not only will the Princeton players not remember the fans in the stands the next time we play them, they've already forgotten.

[billhoward]

The Cornell lacrosse team being down by a bunch of goals isn't the same as when the hockey team is down by 2 going into the third. But still I got thinking about the Notre Dame game last May where we fell behind early and how at the time I thought, well, Cornell ought to start its run about now ... or maybe about now ... oops we've only got 7 minutes left. It was an incredible comeback led by the defense, the backup goaltender, an attack that got second shots off rebounds, and all those Princeton turnovers. I wish Pannell had nailed that shot with about 2 minutes to play Saturday to make it a 10-7 game to help mask how how close it was.

Tyler Fiorito did an amazing job for Princeton. 20 saves on 29 shots (69% saves). With somebody else in goal it would've been 14-7, Cornell. It made me wonder why John Galloway of Syracuse is the only goalie on the Tewaaraton watch list of 25 players.

I watched a rebroadcast of the game on CBS College Sports. It felt as if the announcers were calling the game more from Princeton's point of view. The Cornell defense should have gotten more credit for breaking up plays, which too often were described as bad luck for Princeton. Those 10 Princeton turnovers in the fourth quarter were not all self-inflicted. I saw two TV trucks parked by the Schoellkopf Gate - one for the cameras and cables, one for the book of cliches they used. A lot of times the announcers were slow to announce that the turnover was a penalty and then only sometimes remembered to say what the penalty was. There was an awkward moment when Cornell was attacking, a flag went sailing up in the air, Cornell continued the attack, and they said, "We'll have to see which team that penalty was on." I did like, on that delayed call or another, as Pannell started to circle the cage, they said, "He's playing with the house's money right now."

I'm trying to figure out if Syracuse's 11-8 defeat of No. 1 and previously unbeaten Notre Dame was good for us or not as relates to seedings for the NCAA tournament. Should we win the Ivy tournament, would we be pushed lower by a Syracuse win or a Notre Dame win? Our two losses make a 1-seed unlikely (?), but how many teams will be seeded above us? Syracuse? ND? Hopkins (which almost lost Saturday)? The difference between a 2 seed and 3 seed doesn't seem that great.

Box score: http://www.cornellbigred.com/documents/2011/4/30/PrincetonBox043011.pdf?id=3770

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Score by period 1 2 3 4 Total
Princeton       4  2  0  1   7
Cornell         1  3  4  1   9

Shots by period 1   2   3  4  Total
Princeton       10  4   7  9  30
Cornell         10 15  14  6  45

Saves by period 1  2  3  4  Total
Princeton       6  6  6  2  20 <-- unreal
Cornell         2  0  3  2   7


[Ben]

Fiorito was definitely impressive, but I think part of that was due to our shooting. From what I remember, we were shooting around chest height, not by his legs. A good performance, no question, but we could have made it harder for him.

[TimV]

That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it.  My experience, that of my father, and my two sons is otherwise.  You and I have disagreed on this before. S' OK - every athlete doesn't react the same way.  Just sayin' that some do.

[Al DeFlorio]

... they will play with increased intensity against us next year just to stick it to us....

Not only will the Princeton players not remember the fans in the stands the next time we play them, they've already forgotten.

Maybe so, maybe not.  Here's a posting from the laxpower forum by a former Cornell player (from awhile back) after the Princeton game (emphasis his, not mine):

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

[ugarte]

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

Tierney & Co. are a far cry from "a couple of dinks in the stands."

[Al DeFlorio]

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

Tierney & Co. are a far cry from "a couple of dinks in the stands."

Yes, but the point is that players sometimes do remember.

[Ben]

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

Tierney & Co. are a far cry from "a couple of dinks in the stands."

Thanks for that generous description. :-|

[ugarte]

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

Tierney & Co. are a far cry from "a couple of dinks in the stands."

Thanks for that generous description. :-|

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure that they see you as gentleman-scholars and would recognize you on the street.

[Ben]

It was great seeing Cornell come from behind and end Princeton's season. I WILL NEVER FORGET that Tierney & Co. were (and I will be diplomatic) "less than gracious" to Richie in his last few years.

Tierney & Co. are a far cry from "a couple of dinks in the stands."

Thanks for that generous description. :-|

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sure that they see you as gentleman-scholars and would recognize you on the street.

Hahahaha, I'm not offended, that's just a curious way of putting it. I would have expected something more like "jerks."

[Jim Hyla]

A good win after an atrocious start (we defended really poorly and were getting killed on the faceoffs). West did very well in goal when he came in, and pulling it back to two goals at halftime was big. My friends and I taunted the Princeton players after the game, they cursed at us, we laughed. A good afternoon all around.

You taunted the Princeton players? No surprise that they cursed at you.

I think the point is, you taunted them "after the game."  Your "mission accomplished" is (besides those players thinking of you as assholes,) they will play with increased intensity against us next year just to stick it to us.  Not the same as in-game taunts meant to get in  their heads and disrupt them during the game. It's childish, classless, and just stupid.

Thanks for being more direct than I was. I thought the ? would make my point, but although in person, with emphasis on taunted and an up turn at the ?, it might have, in print it didn't. Maybe, "You taunted the Princeton players?" would have been better.

So "season's over" is no longer an acceptable chant at Cornell sporting events? I'll keep that in mind.

No, I don't have any problem with that during the end of the game. By the way you phrased it, I assumed you taunted individual players that you saw after the game, rather than a cheer to the team. For me that's a step over. Once the game is over, we should all be cordial to each other (exceptions expected).