Cornell 2, Harvard 1, Final

Started by BigRedHockeyFan, January 29, 2011, 07:45:37 PM

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billhoward

Lot of papers print how-they-won, why-they-won stories even in their next-morning editions.
Regardless, it was surprising not to see the men's hockey story posted online Monday even if a print story was held. There has been some discussion among Sun alumni and current Sun editors about the best way to post stories. Ironically, some of the alums who've seen their print world shrink have come to the conclusion that to survive and prosper you can't treat the website as a stepchild. If you hold your online story until it prints on paper, an online-only site will eat your lunch. For those heading into adult publishing jobs, the Sun is both a newspaper and a training lab and it's a good place to experiment. Like Cornell itself.

Weder

Quote from: amerks127I don't think they have the staff either.  It's hard enough for them to find writers willing to compose one coherent article a week.  The handful of full time staff members aren't going to give up their entire weekends (in college) so they can write printable material and then additional material on the website.


Staffing issues can be tough to work around, but that's where the sports editor and assistant sports editors should be picking up the slack. Even if they have no interest in going into journalism as a career, when you decide to run for a spot as one of the sports editors you're signing up for a lot of extra work.

Full disclosure: I wrote for the Sun when I was at Cornell, so it's tough for me to avoid taking the "in my day ..." attitude. But it's a bit disheartening to see that the paper's approach to the Web hasn't -- at least to the casual reader -- progressed a whole lot from when I was on campus and we posted stories a couple of times a week over a dial-up connection.
3/8/96

amerks127

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Quote from: amerks127I don't think they have the staff either.  It's hard enough for them to find writers willing to compose one coherent article a week.  The handful of full time staff members aren't going to give up their entire weekends (in college) so they can write printable material and then additional material on the website.


Staffing issues can be tough to work around, but that's where the sports editor and assistant sports editors should be picking up the slack. Even if they have no interest in going into journalism as a career, when you decide to run for a spot as one of the sports editors you're signing up for a lot of extra work.

Full disclosure: I wrote for the Sun when I was at Cornell, so it's tough for me to avoid taking the "in my day ..." attitude. But it's a bit disheartening to see that the paper's approach to the Web hasn't -- at least to the casual reader -- progressed a whole lot from when I was on campus and we posted stories a couple of times a week over a dial-up connection.

No argument here; I agree that the Sun should publish stories online on a rolling basis like most newspapers.  Right now I think all the daily stories are uploaded together overnight.

However, I will say when I wrote for the Department, the issue was never a lack of "picking up the slack" on the part of editors nor a lack of interest in journalism.  The current EIC of the Sun is a former Sports Editor if that speaks at all to his work ethic and interest in the profession.

You could try following them on Twitter for in-game analysis.

http://twitter.com/#!/dailysunsports

dbilmes

Quote from: amerks127With fewer pages for articles, the Sports Department opted to spread out coverage instead of shorter stories for more sports.
I don't think they have the staff either.  It's hard enough for them to find writers willing to compose one coherent article a week.  The handful of full time staff members aren't going to give up their entire weekends (in college) so they can write printable material and then additional material on the website.
I don't want this to turn into a Sun-bashing thread, but as a former sports editor of the Sun I am dismayed with both the quality and quantity of much of their sports coverage.
First of all, there should be an article on the website by Sunday night/Monday morning on any of the "major" sports that have played over the weekend. That article can be the same on that is published in the Sun, either on that Monday or a day later. That way the writers aren't giving up their entire weekends to write two articles, since the same article serves both purposes.
Remember, the Sun is a daily newspaper, not a weekly, or bi-weekly like at many other schools. If you're a daily newspaper, the expectation is that you put breaking news into the paper on a daily basis.
Secondly, if you are writing for the Sun, it should not be that difficult to write more than one coherent article a week. If you go into journalism, either online or in print, you will often be expected to write at least one coherent article a day. If it's a struggle to write one per week, you're just using the Sun to pad your resume.
If the Sun is currently in its pre-election period, where different candidates for the editor positions are taking turns running their departments, this would be a good opportunity for one of those candidates to find a way to get breaking news onto the website as soon as possible.
On the positive side, I am pleased that the Sun has a law student writing an ombudsman column. In his most recent column, for example, he discussed a Sun columnist who was caught plagiarizing, and how the Sun handled the arrest of a former staff member.

ajh258

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Quote from: BigRedHockeyFanBoth goalies have matured a lot this season.  They look great.
Garman first and Iles fifth in save percentage in the ECAC:
IT'S THE SYSTEM!
According to the site, we still have the best PK, and the third lowest number of goals allowed.

Sounds like coaching did not change much (surprise).
Well, if you've been to games, you've seen a significant change in offensive strategy. They are a much different team than a few years ago.
I haven't been to any games, Jim. :-P

Al DeFlorio

The guys did more than play winning hockey last Saturday, according to this excerpt from a Mike Schafer email:

The next day [Saturday] started a little different as we, the Devin boys, Locke Jillson, and Keir Ross were able to visit the Childrens Hospital in Boston.  They were able to see around 12 children and deliver some Big Red teddy bears.  All these kids were there for cancer treatments including my nephew.  The kids were really excited to see some hockey players.  Puts things in perspective!
Al DeFlorio '65

Trotsky

Quote from: Al DeFlorioThe guys did more than play winning hockey last Saturday, according to this excerpt from a Mike Schafer email:

The next day [Saturday] started a little different as we, the Devin boys, Locke Jillson, and Keir Ross were able to visit the Childrens Hospital in Boston.  They were able to see around 12 children and deliver some Big Red teddy bears.  All these kids were there for cancer treatments including my nephew.  The kids were really excited to see some hockey players.  Puts things in perspective!
They talked about this during the Saturday game.  Apparently our guys were very strongly affected by it.  Perspective is right.

It was either Franco Harris or a teammate who said, "Pressure?  Pressure is losing your job and wondering how your family's gonna eat."

RatushnyFan

Quote from: TrotskyThey talked about this during the Saturday game.  Apparently our guys were very strongly affected by it.  Perspective is right.

It was either Franco Harris or a teammate who said, "Pressure?  Pressure is losing your job and wondering how your family's gonna eat."
Amen. Latrell Sprewell couldn't have said it any better.

Trotsky

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Quote from: TrotskyThey talked about this during the Saturday game.  Apparently our guys were very strongly affected by it.  Perspective is right.

It was either Franco Harris or a teammate who said, "Pressure?  Pressure is losing your job and wondering how your family's gonna eat."
Amen. Latrell Sprewell couldn't have said it any better.
Though he did know how to apply pressure...