Lax Cornell 11 Loyola 10 (3 OT) & other NCAA 1st round

[ugarte]

Go Army, until midnight tonight.

[semsox]

Dodged a bullet.  A re-focused Cuse after having the bejesus scared out of them or an overachieving Army team.  Hmmmmmm.......who would I rather face..........

[Jim Hyla]

Army wins 9-8. Stunning!

Was anyone else yelling "shoot" at their tv during the OTs? I'm still figuring out lax, but you can't score if you don't shoot. It just seemed like they were spending an eternity setting up for the PERFECT shot. I get hanging onto the ball in regulation and playing for the last shot and leaving no time on the clock, but in Sudden victory OT?  

Army was really good on face-offs, how does that bode for us next weekend?

Quite shocking to see Syracuse go down. Shocking in a nice way .

It really doesn't matter if it's end of game or OT. The problem with Lax OT is that it's so much easier to score than in hockey. Therefore you want to limit your opponents chances. Even in OT, if you get the ball you want a good chance before taking it. Otherwise you are like the Army defensive middie who went down the field,  took a not very good shot, and gave it back to SU with a chance for them to win.

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

[Killer]

And the Boston Globe, with no actual lax stories today, shows the final score as

Syracuse 9........Army 8 (2 OT)

[billhoward]

Jim's right. Lax should not be sudden death. Too easy to score. I felt that way before the game last Memorial Day. It's only a nice way to end that game for a TV audience that doesn't care who wins so long as someone wins, and typically in the next five minutes of airtime.

[RichH]

If anyone likes 'Cuse-related Schadenfreude, the 'updated printable bracket' on the ncaa website has them listed as beating Army and playing us next week.  Maybe if one has any trash-talking 'Cuse fans in their region, it warrants being sent.  

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-lacros/auto_pdf/MLax-D1-2010Bracket

Lots more Schadenfreude over on syracuse.com.  I mean, I wanted revenge for last year, but this'll do.

[phillysportsfan]

If anyone likes 'Cuse-related Schadenfreude, the 'updated printable bracket' on the ncaa website has them listed as beating Army and playing us next week.  Maybe if one has any trash-talking 'Cuse fans in their region, it warrants being sent.  

http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-lacros/auto_pdf/MLax-D1-2010Bracket

Lots more Schadenfreude over on syracuse.com.  I mean, I wanted revenge for last year, but this'll do.

You have got to love the fact that Cornell got as far as Syracuse in the basketball tournament and farther than them in the lacrosse tournament

[Al DeFlorio]

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

Used to be that way, and it was much more fair in determining a winner.  Maryland scored first in OT in the 1976 championship game, but Cornell came back to score four and won by three.  Kind of like OT in college football vs. the NFL.

[Jim Hyla]

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

Used to be that way, and it was much more fair in determining a winner.  Maryland scored first in OT in the 1976 championship game, but Cornell came back to score four and won by three.  Kind of like OT in college football vs. the NFL.

and it's the way high schools do it.

[Rita]

Army wins 9-8. Stunning!

Was anyone else yelling "shoot" at their tv during the OTs? I'm still figuring out lax, but you can't score if you don't shoot. It just seemed like they were spending an eternity setting up for the PERFECT shot. I get hanging onto the ball in regulation and playing for the last shot and leaving no time on the clock, but in Sudden victory OT?  

Army was really good on face-offs, how does that bode for us next weekend?

Quite shocking to see Syracuse go down. Shocking in a nice way .

It really doesn't matter if it's end of game or OT. The problem with Lax OT is that it's so much easier to score than in hockey. Therefore you want to limit your opponents chances. Even in OT, if you get the ball you want a good chance before taking it. Otherwise you are like the Army defensive middie who went down the field,  took a not very good shot, and gave it back to SU with a chance for them to win.

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

I understand the reasoning, but it just seemed like they were content to pass the ball around until the clock practically ticked down to zero. In the meantime, while waiting for the perfect shot, the D is hacking/slashing them and trying to get the ball out. I'm not one to yell "shoot the damn puck on a hockey PP", but man, all that passing and no shooting in the lax OT was making me edgy.

Yeah, I caught the comment the talking heads made about the Army Middie (talk about oxymoron, armed forces style) who had "no right taking that shot". I thought that was kind of harsh.

Given the way they just stall for time and run the clock down, what about instituting some sort of shot clock, say 60 seconds, for the OT periods? The refs do have an option of calling some sort of "stalling warning" where the team with possession has to keep the ball in the box, correct? Is there a time limit associated with that warning too? Do the refs just not call that during OTs (kind of like how the hockey refs used to put away the whistles during OT)?

[Jim Hyla]

Army wins 9-8. Stunning!

Was anyone else yelling "shoot" at their tv during the OTs? I'm still figuring out lax, but you can't score if you don't shoot. It just seemed like they were spending an eternity setting up for the PERFECT shot. I get hanging onto the ball in regulation and playing for the last shot and leaving no time on the clock, but in Sudden victory OT?  

Army was really good on face-offs, how does that bode for us next weekend?

Quite shocking to see Syracuse go down. Shocking in a nice way .

It really doesn't matter if it's end of game or OT. The problem with Lax OT is that it's so much easier to score than in hockey. Therefore you want to limit your opponents chances. Even in OT, if you get the ball you want a good chance before taking it. Otherwise you are like the Army defensive middie who went down the field,  took a not very good shot, and gave it back to SU with a chance for them to win.

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

I understand the reasoning, but it just seemed like they were content to pass the ball around until the clock practically ticked down to zero. In the meantime, while waiting for the perfect shot, the D is hacking/slashing them and trying to get the ball out. I'm not one to yell "shoot the damn puck on a hockey PP", but man, all that passing and no shooting in the lax OT was making me edgy.

Yeah, I caught the comment the talking heads made about the Army Middie (talk about oxymoron, armed forces style) who had "no right taking that shot". I thought that was kind of harsh.

Given the way they just stall for time and run the clock down, what about instituting some sort of shot clock, say 60 seconds, for the OT periods? The refs do have an option of calling some sort of "stalling warning" where the team with possession has to keep the ball in the box, correct? Is there a time limit associated with that warning too? Do the refs just not call that during OTs (kind of like how the hockey refs used to put away the whistles during OT)?

Actually there is some discussion about a shot clock for the whole game. I doubt it though. The SU-Providence game was a classic for that. All Providence did was to hold the ball, with no intent to shoot till absolutely necessary. Outshot 43-15.

[JasonN95]

Army wins 9-8. Stunning!

Was anyone else yelling "shoot" at their tv during the OTs? I'm still figuring out lax, but you can't score if you don't shoot. It just seemed like they were spending an eternity setting up for the PERFECT shot. I get hanging onto the ball in regulation and playing for the last shot and leaving no time on the clock, but in Sudden victory OT?  

Army was really good on face-offs, how does that bode for us next weekend?

Quite shocking to see Syracuse go down. Shocking in a nice way .

It really doesn't matter if it's end of game or OT. The problem with Lax OT is that it's so much easier to score than in hockey. Therefore you want to limit your opponents chances. Even in OT, if you get the ball you want a good chance before taking it. Otherwise you are like the Army defensive middie who went down the field,  took a not very good shot, and gave it back to SU with a chance for them to win.

I'd prefer two 4 min OTs, followed by sudden.

I understand the reasoning, but it just seemed like they were content to pass the ball around until the clock practically ticked down to zero. In the meantime, while waiting for the perfect shot, the D is hacking/slashing them and trying to get the ball out. I'm not one to yell "shoot the damn puck on a hockey PP", but man, all that passing and no shooting in the lax OT was making me edgy.

Yeah, I caught the comment the talking heads made about the Army Middie (talk about oxymoron, armed forces style) who had "no right taking that shot". I thought that was kind of harsh.

Given the way they just stall for time and run the clock down, what about instituting some sort of shot clock, say 60 seconds, for the OT periods? The refs do have an option of calling some sort of "stalling warning" where the team with possession has to keep the ball in the box, correct? Is there a time limit associated with that warning too? Do the refs just not call that during OTs (kind of like how the hockey refs used to put away the whistles during OT)?

Actually there is some discussion about a shot clock for the whole game. I doubt it though. The SU-Providence game was a classic for that. All Providence did was to hold the ball, with no intent to shoot till absolutely necessary. Outshot 43-15.

My concern with a shot clock is given how the out-of-bounds shot rule works, it seems like it would be pretty easy for a team to "shoot" high and wide with a player backing up the play in order to deliberately reset the clock, so you might not get much improvement over how the current stall warning tries to fix the problem.

[billhoward]

Yeah, I caught the comment the talking heads made about the Army Middie (talk about oxymoron, armed forces style) who had "no right taking that shot". I thought that was kind of harsh.

Rita, it was absolutely the right comment, and Emmer had the right and the obligation to say it if the goal was to provide helpful insights. This isn't high school JV sports we're talking about. Maybe it stood out because color commentary is so useless most of the time. We're conditioned to pablum in broadcasts. Most team broadcasters are employed by the teams or they're approved by the teams. So when the Devils make a first round exit in the playoffs, you've got to turn to the Star-Ledger or fan forums for a discussion of what really went wrong. His outspokenness makes Barry Melrose so intriguing: sometimes wrong, seldom in doubt.

[Killer]

It's Tuesday, and the Globe still has Syracuse beating Army in 2OT.  Plus they show the 14-1 Orange playing us on Saturday.  Must be that whacky-liberal, anti-military bent that the local conservative talk show hosts always accuse them of having (or the sports department is just too lazy to get the facts).

[Jim Hyla]

It's Tuesday, and the Globe still has Syracuse beating Army in 2OT.  Plus they show the 14-1 Orange playing us on Saturday.  Must be that whacky-liberal, anti-military bent that the local conservative talk show hosts always accuse them of having (or the sports department is just too lazy to get the facts).

Is that the problem when you're not "All the news that's fit to print"?