Cornell 4 at Dartmouth 5

imafrshmn · February 20, 2010, 09:22:03 PM

It was hard to judge our 3rd period performance with the crappy video stream. I'll be interested to hear from those who were there. Did we lack energy? Did the loss of Kennedy hurt the line combinations too badly? Did we get away from playing the lockdown defense we're known for to close out a game? Was Scrivens off his game?

mikek · February 20, 2010, 09:23:56 PM

Cornell falls to 16th in the pairwise, for the moment with games still going on tonight. Union becomes the 2nd ECAC team, moving into 13th.

Germ · February 20, 2010, 09:26:46 PM

Updated pairwise not posted yet (that I can find) but I'm guessing we'll go to 13-14++. When you take into account the auto bids from the lower conferences I think it's going to be an uphill battle. I guess if we make it to the ECAC finals like last year we have an outside shot...maybe. However, if we DO make it to the NCAAs I like our chances since we seem to own the first round. And if we get placed in Albany we (finally) get some home cookin'. Would love to face, say, Wisconsin and give them a taste of their own medicine.

mikek · February 20, 2010, 09:30:47 PM

Dartmouth's 3rd and 5th goals appeared soft from the video. The 3rd was a scrum in front that the puck somehow ended up in the net. The last Dartmouth goal was just a hard angle wrister from lower outside edge of the faceoff circle that Scrivens probably should have had. Defense also appeared to be less stellar than usual as we gave up far too many chances in the game (especially the 3rd).

CUontheslopes · February 20, 2010, 09:33:31 PM

Quote from: GermUpdated pairwise not posted yet (that I can find) but I'm guessing we'll go to 13-14++. When you take into account the auto bids from the lower conferences I think it's going to be an uphill battle. I guess if we make it to the ECAC finals like last year we have an outside shot...maybe. However, if we DO make it to the NCAAs I like our chances since we seem to own the first round. And if we get placed in Albany we (finally) get some home cookin'. Would love to face, say, Wisconsin and give them a taste of their own medicine.

Oh please - this melodrama is getting ridiculous. We've been in this situation plenty of times. If we win both games next weekend and win our first (second) round playoff series, we'll be just fine. Make it to Albany and win a game - do that we'll be ok. And if we don't make it to Albany, we don't deserve to make the NCAA's. Of course an autobid would be nice.

YankeeLobo · February 20, 2010, 09:42:32 PM

Most overrated team in college hockey all year, in my opinion. How they were #5 only a week or two ago still amazes me. The team hasn't won an important game all year.

I recommend you all start following the Cornell basketball team, they're having a special year. 2010 Cornell hockey will be just another Schafer-led disappointment. The guy is a great defensive coach, but defense doesn't win championships in NCAA hockey and it doesn't win 5-4 games. When are people at Cornell going to start putting some heat on this guy?

Germ · February 20, 2010, 09:49:44 PM

Ummm....not being melodramtic, being realistic. Pairwise # 16 puts us right on the bubble. Yeah, sure, if we don't lose one of the next two, win our first series, AND win one in Albany we have an outside chance. Last year wasn't a lock until we pulled out the Princeton game. Too bad we've been backed into a corner (again) such that we have to at least make the semis or finals to have a chance. Not saying we can't do it but melting down against Dartmouth doesn't give me the same level of confidence as last year's team. I guess we'll have to just wait and see how we do against RPI and Union next weekend.

Josh '99 · February 20, 2010, 09:50:29 PM

Quote from: YankeeLoboMost overrated team in college hockey all year, in my opinion. How they were #5 only a week or two ago still amazes me. The team hasn't won an important game all year.

I recommend you all start following the Cornell basketball team, they're having a special year. 2010 Cornell hockey will be just another Schafer-led disappointment. The guy is a great defensive coach, but defense doesn't win championships in NCAA hockey and it doesn't win 5-4 games. When are people at Cornell going to start putting some heat on this guy?

Obviously defense doesn't win 5-4 games, but I think 2004 Denver and 2006 Wisconsin and 2007 Michigan State would disagree with the proposition that defense doesn't win NCAA hockey championships.

CUontheslopes · February 20, 2010, 09:54:12 PM

Quote from: GermUmmm....not being melodramtic, being realistic. Pairwise # 16 puts us right on the bubble. Yeah, sure, if we don't lose one of the next two, win our first series, AND win one in Albany we have an outside chance. Last year wasn't a lock until we pulled out the Princeton game. Too bad we've been backed into a corner (again) such that we have to at least make the semis or finals to have a chance. Not saying we can't do it but melting down against Dartmouth doesn't give me the same level of confidence as last year's team. I guess we'll have to just wait and see how we do against RPI and Union next weekend.

What's melodramatic is thinking that we have an OUTSIDE chance if we hold serve at home in the next couple weekends and win a game (including the consolation game). Do that, we're in.

ScrewBU · February 20, 2010, 10:00:59 PM

Quote from: CUontheslopes
Quote from: GermUmmm....not being melodramtic, being realistic. Pairwise # 16 puts us right on the bubble. Yeah, sure, if we don't lose one of the next two, win our first series, AND win one in Albany we have an outside chance. Last year wasn't a lock until we pulled out the Princeton game. Too bad we've been backed into a corner (again) such that we have to at least make the semis or finals to have a chance. Not saying we can't do it but melting down against Dartmouth doesn't give me the same level of confidence as last year's team. I guess we'll have to just wait and see how we do against RPI and Union next weekend.

What's melodramatic is thinking that we have an OUTSIDE chance if we hold serve at home in the next couple weekends and win a game (including the consolation game). Do that, we're in.

Say Yale and Union stay ahead of us in the PWR. We win out and win one game in Albany. We're still guaranteed a spot in the tourney as the 3rd ECAC team? You sure about that? What happens if a team that is not Yale, Union, or Cornell wins the ECAC tournament and gets the autobid?

Edited to make clearer.

trainbow · February 20, 2010, 10:06:43 PM

Quote from: billhowardLetdown after Friday?

Cornell has 5 shutouts this year.
Their record the next game? 1 W 4 L.

Last year in contrast, after shutouts they were 3-1 (plus 2 Ws after 0-0 OT ties).

CUontheslopes · February 20, 2010, 10:12:42 PM

Quote from: ScrewBU
Quote from: CUontheslopes
Quote from: GermUmmm....not being melodramtic, being realistic. Pairwise # 16 puts us right on the bubble. Yeah, sure, if we don't lose one of the next two, win our first series, AND win one in Albany we have an outside chance. Last year wasn't a lock until we pulled out the Princeton game. Too bad we've been backed into a corner (again) such that we have to at least make the semis or finals to have a chance. Not saying we can't do it but melting down against Dartmouth doesn't give me the same level of confidence as last year's team. I guess we'll have to just wait and see how we do against RPI and Union next weekend.

What's melodramatic is thinking that we have an OUTSIDE chance if we hold serve at home in the next couple weekends and win a game (including the consolation game). Do that, we're in.

Say Yale and Union stay ahead of us in the PWR. We win out and win one game in Albany. We're still guaranteed a spot in the tourney as the 3rd ECAC team? You sure about that? What happens if a team that is not Yale, Union, or Cornell wins the ECAC tournament and gets the autobid?

Edited to make clearer.

Don't forget we play Union next weekend. If we sweep next weekend, win our first round series (preferably with a sweep, but not completely necessary) and win a game in Albany, we will make the tournament. I stand by that, yes. That would mean a record of somewhere in the 5-1 range against good competition. That'd do it.

Trotsky · February 20, 2010, 11:10:55 PM

Just win the ECACs.

About the only silver lining I can think of is the Union game was going to be a battle for 2nd, anyway, and now the Red will be seething and ready.

Anybody buy that?

scoop85 · February 20, 2010, 11:42:30 PM

Quote from: TrotskyJust win the ECACs.

About the only silver lining I can think of is the Union game was going to be a battle for 2nd, anyway, and now the Red will be seething and ready.

Anybody buy that?

I'll buy it -- well, after tonight, I'll buy any suggestion of a silver lining :-/

Germ · February 21, 2010, 02:46:08 AM

I guess I'm just not convinced that a sweep next weekend and one win in Albany will "get er done". I think it will depend on what teams from the other big conferences do that will determine our fate. We need Miami, UNH, and Denver to hold serve in their tourneys and not let a lower ranked team to win out. THAT might do it. But...come on....imploding against Dartmouth? Not particularly encouraging.