Retire Cornell jersey numbers

[imafrshmn]

Instead of Redcast, Google Earth could track the players in real time as they skate around the rink during the game! ::woot::

Thereby increasing the resolution of the picture!

[Rita]

Instead of Redcast, Google Earth could track the players in real time as they skate around the rink during the game! ::woot::

Thereby increasing the resolution of the picture!

It should be easy to attach some sort of chip on the skate (something like what competitive runners have). I was thinking about this the other night while watching a game with my aging eyes and 10 year old TV. It would be cool if my TV (or computer if I logged into a game tracker-like site) made a noise to alert me that my favorite player just stepped on the ice.

The trick maybe coming up with a chip device that won't crack apart when hit with a 90 mph slapshot, or slammed into the boards and/or goal posts.

Maybe someone from engineering/CS will take this idea and turn it into a thesis project B-].

[KeithK]

Instead of Redcast, Google Earth could track the players in real time as they skate around the rink during the game! ::woot::

Thereby increasing the resolution of the picture!

It should be easy to attach some sort of chip on the skate (something like what competitive runners have). I was thinking about this the other night while watching a game with my aging eyes and 10 year old TV. It would be cool if my TV (or computer if I logged into a game tracker-like site) made a noise to alert me that my favorite player just stepped on the ice.

The trick maybe coming up with a chip device that won't crack apart when hit with a 90 mph slapshot, or slammed into the boards and/or goal posts.

Maybe someone from engineering/CS will take this idea and turn it into a thesis project B-].

That's a great idea! And then we can put a chip in the puck so the camera always knows where it is. And when it's shot really fast we could digitally add a trail of fire to the video feed...

[Rita]

Instead of Redcast, Google Earth could track the players in real time as they skate around the rink during the game! ::woot::

Thereby increasing the resolution of the picture!

It should be easy to attach some sort of chip on the skate (something like what competitive runners have). I was thinking about this the other night while watching a game with my aging eyes and 10 year old TV. It would be cool if my TV (or computer if I logged into a game tracker-like site) made a noise to alert me that my favorite player just stepped on the ice.

The trick maybe coming up with a chip device that won't crack apart when hit with a 90 mph slapshot, or slammed into the boards and/or goal posts.

Maybe someone from engineering/CS will take this idea and turn it into a thesis project B-].

That's a great idea! And then we can put a chip in the puck so the camera always knows where it is. And when it's shot really fast we could digitally add a trail of fire to the video feed...

::cuss:: No glowing purple pucks! ::cuss::

[French Rage]

barcodes would make for interesting scoreboards.

What would happen is that scoreboards would become antiques.  There would be some sort of App so that when a player went on the ice, his barcode would be scanned and transmitted to the fans' crackberries, iPhones, Droids, etc. Additional apps would allow you to do on screen tracking of real time stats like skating velocity, shot speed, and for some special players, intensity and heart ;-), during their shift.

Maybe even someone from the band (or a cranky alum) could come up with an app that will allow fans to keep the right tempo for the cowbell, "Kill Red Kill" and other cheers that have sped up over time. **]

Granted, the CSTV Gametracker version of this technology would still by law be an entire period behind the actual action.

[Josh '99]

Maybe even someone from the band (or a cranky alum) could come up with an app that will allow fans to keep the right tempo for the cowbell, "Kill Red Kill" and other cheers that have sped up over time. **]

Chants that don't speed up over time?  Well now THAT'S just crazy talk.

[Beeeej]

Maybe even someone from the band (or a cranky alum) could come up with an app that will allow fans to keep the right tempo for the cowbell, "Kill Red Kill" and other cheers that have sped up over time. **]

Chants that don't speed up over time?  WellnowTHAT'Sjustcrazytalk.

FYP.

[French Rage]

Maybe even someone from the band (or a cranky alum) could come up with an app that will allow fans to keep the right tempo for the cowbell, "Kill Red Kill" and other cheers that have sped up over time. **]

Chants that don't speed up over time?  Well now THAT'S just crazy talk.

I have noticed that with the undergrads these days.  I blame The Myspace.

[billhoward]

Chip in each players' skates to position him at every point in the game would actually be cool for scouting reports, time on ice, plus/minus, etcetera. Sort of like traffic transponders. Except if you have a couple cameras covering the ice, they could track each player, either by an intern/ student tagging each player, or the camera/OCR figuring out who's who (the barcodes?) and it would be done automatically. Then no need for transponders.

[RichH]

Maybe even someone from the band (or a cranky alum) could come up with an app that will allow fans to keep the right tempo for the cowbell, "Kill Red Kill" and other cheers that have sped up over time. **]

Chants that don't speed up over time?  Well now THAT'S just crazy talk.

I have noticed that with the undergrads these days.  I blame The MyspaceFacepage KIDSTHESEDAY!!.

FYP.

[RatushnyFan]

So who is Cornell's second greatest player based on what he accomplished in a Cornell uniform, if not Nieuwendyk?

I love Nieuwendyk, but I wouldn't even put him in the top 10 all-time based solely on Cornell achievements.

I would vote for Dryden and Nieuwendyk's numbers to be retired.  My basis is their play relative to their peers at the time.  That may not be a relevant criterion to everyone, but I feel that their play was so far above their peers that they are deserving of special consideration.  Number retirement has to be very selective obviously.......

[Jim Hyla]

So who is Cornell's second greatest player based on what he accomplished in a Cornell uniform, if not Nieuwendyk?

I love Nieuwendyk, but I wouldn't even put him in the top 10 all-time based solely on Cornell achievements.

I would vote for Dryden and Nieuwendyk's numbers to be retired.  My basis is their play relative to their peers at the time.  That may not be a relevant criterion to everyone, but I feel that their play was so far above their peers that they are deserving of special consideration.  Number retirement has to be very selective obviously.......

Are you talking about their CU peers or college hockey peers. If you mean  CU peers then that makes it hard to say Dryden should go. He had a great group of players around him all the time. He was great, but certainly would not have done as well without the others. Relative to his peers he was ahead, how far, that's hard to say.

Nieuwendyk was far ahead of his peers, but not able to carry them along. Let's face it they are being retired because they want to honor Nieuwendyk and certainly can't do it without Dryden as well. Why don't they retire jerseys with their name and number, but don't retire the number. Then we could do more. A line-up of them on the wall that the students walk by would be great to show our tradition.

[RichH]

I'll just post what I wrote when this first came up:

Re: Retired Number
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) [ PM ]
Date: February 14, 2007 08:30PM

    Jim Hyla
    And of course that is exactly what all of us are discussing. We all agree that honoring him is correct; for me that belongs in the Hall of Fame. Retire the number, no.
     


I agree completely with Jim, and I actually feel quite strongly about this. I haven't spoken up mainly because I couldn't have said how I feel any better than the text at [www.cutradition.com] has already done. Also, I knew once I started writing, it would probably turn into something resembling a reactionary manifesto. But then again, the support that the petition hasn't gotten has been a little disappointing to me. Thus I begin:

Look...perhaps I'm kidding myself in the athlete/celebrity world in which we live, but I'm still married to the idea of keeping collegiate athletics as close as possible to the amateur ideal of the fading existence of the "student-athlete." I'm as proud as anyone of the people who came through the university that I attended, and love to show that pride to the college football/basketball "fans" who buy hats and foam fingers of institutions of higher education that they never intend to attend. Those who perpetuate the exploitation of our educational system by people who have decided to use schools as certain professional sports' "minor leagues" and whore themselves for the almighty buck. *huff* [/steps away from the soapbox]

My point: I love all the great players who chose for one reason or another to attend Cornell and play hockey. Even some of the not-so-great. Retiring numbers is such a thing for professional sports. I'm of the opinion that collegiate uniform numbers should not be retired, except in such circumstances that an event happened that so changed a program emotionally that nobody would want to wear the number again out of respect. Such is the case with the two retired Lax jerseys. Or Travis Roy at BU. Or Syracuse's #44 in football. Joe Nieuwendyk's #25, while worn by one of the best and most successful and classy athletes to come to Ithaca, shouldn't be holier-than-thou. On top of all the players I love, I also love the program's tradition. I like to think of how excited the team was to learn about the great players who wore their numbers before them. I see the great uniform numbers as a torch to be passed (maybe that's too romantic, but I'm trying to explain why this is important to me).

1-31.

That's my TEAM. No individual is above that, just like nobody's skating around with #91 because that's what he wore in Juniors. Retiring numbers is so...Florida State University. If we retire numbers, we may as well just switch to the Nike Swift jersey with crazy star striping, chevrons, and shimmer jersey material, and slap together a black 3rd jersey with a huge Huggy Bear off-centered and space-age fonts with numbers on the shoulder. Yeah! (sorry, got carried away again.)

I'm all for honoring the Cornell hockey greats in the renovated Lynah. There's a nice, thick edge along the floor of the mezzanine that faces the entire rink. Let's do a "Ring of Honor" instead of retiring uniform numbers. The original thread already had people making lists of numbers to retire once we do the first one. Let's not be that school. Hang the name and number on the walls, and let the skaters lining up on the blue line during introductions be able to see that and feel some pride of having the same number on his back.

Heck, I'll even throw this out there: for the first full season of the renovated Lynah, let's bring back some of the legends that generations of fans haven't had the chance to meet or hear about. One per home weekend. Celebrate all the greats. Nieuwendyk, Dryden, Nethery, Lodboa, Harkness. We all know the names, but we've never had a chance to give them our thanks in a proper Lynah roar. In 1995, the 1970 team came back, and it was pretty special.

If you agree with the gist of what I've said here, sign the petition. Don't retire the numbers.

[Rita]

I'll just post what I wrote when this first came up:

Re: Retired Number
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) [ PM ]
Date: February 14, 2007 08:30PM

    Jim Hyla
    And of course that is exactly what all of us are discussing. We all agree that honoring him is correct; for me that belongs in the Hall of Fame. Retire the number, no.
     


I agree completely with Jim, and I actually feel quite strongly about this. I haven't spoken up mainly because I couldn't have said how I feel any better than the text at [www.cutradition.com] has already done. Also, I knew once I started writing, it would probably turn into something resembling a reactionary manifesto. But then again, the support that the petition hasn't gotten has been a little disappointing to me. Thus I begin:

Look...perhaps I'm kidding myself in the athlete/celebrity world in which we live, but I'm still married to the idea of keeping collegiate athletics as close as possible to the amateur ideal of the fading existence of the "student-athlete." I'm as proud as anyone of the people who came through the university that I attended, and love to show that pride to the college football/basketball "fans" who buy hats and foam fingers of institutions of higher education that they never intend to attend. Those who perpetuate the exploitation of our educational system by people who have decided to use schools as certain professional sports' "minor leagues" and whore themselves for the almighty buck. *huff* [/steps away from the soapbox]

My point: I love all the great players who chose for one reason or another to attend Cornell and play hockey. Even some of the not-so-great. Retiring numbers is such a thing for professional sports. I'm of the opinion that collegiate uniform numbers should not be retired, except in such circumstances that an event happened that so changed a program emotionally that nobody would want to wear the number again out of respect. Such is the case with the two retired Lax jerseys. Or Travis Roy at BU. Or Syracuse's #44 in football. Joe Nieuwendyk's #25, while worn by one of the best and most successful and classy athletes to come to Ithaca, shouldn't be holier-than-thou. On top of all the players I love, I also love the program's tradition. I like to think of how excited the team was to learn about the great players who wore their numbers before them. I see the great uniform numbers as a torch to be passed (maybe that's too romantic, but I'm trying to explain why this is important to me).

1-31.

That's my TEAM. No individual is above that, just like nobody's skating around with #91 because that's what he wore in Juniors. Retiring numbers is so...Florida State University. If we retire numbers, we may as well just switch to the Nike Swift jersey with crazy star striping, chevrons, and shimmer jersey material, and slap together a black 3rd jersey with a huge Huggy Bear off-centered and space-age fonts with numbers on the shoulder. Yeah! (sorry, got carried away again.)

I'm all for honoring the Cornell hockey greats in the renovated Lynah. There's a nice, thick edge along the floor of the mezzanine that faces the entire rink. Let's do a "Ring of Honor" instead of retiring uniform numbers. The original thread already had people making lists of numbers to retire once we do the first one. Let's not be that school. Hang the name and number on the walls, and let the skaters lining up on the blue line during introductions be able to see that and feel some pride of having the same number on his back.

Heck, I'll even throw this out there: for the first full season of the renovated Lynah, let's bring back some of the legends that generations of fans haven't had the chance to meet or hear about. One per home weekend. Celebrate all the greats. Nieuwendyk, Dryden, Nethery, Lodboa, Harkness. We all know the names, but we've never had a chance to give them our thanks in a proper Lynah roar. In 1995, the 1970 team came back, and it was pretty special.

If you agree with the gist of what I've said here, sign the petition. Don't retire the numbers.

I totally agree with Rich on this. And, I'm not a fan of retiring numbers at the pro level either. There are many ways to honor a player and his/her accomplishments such as statues, rings of honor, plaques, charities. I know that personally, if I was an athlete on a collegiate or pro team, I would take great pride in wearing a number that once belonged to someone who did outstanding things for his/her team.

It's a number. The number didn't do anything special, the person did. Honor the person, not the number.

[jaywbigred]

Hi guys...new to the debate, and I am not saying I feel strongly either way, but I voted in favor of retiring. There was a time when I would have been strongly against the concept, but then I saw how Ohio State retired jerseys for their football team (where they also have number-restrictions, by position category I believe) and I thought it could be emulated, in that it is a very select group (Heisman winners only, +the founder of the program, +the first African American All American  at OSU who also happened to be a member of the Ohio High School, Ohio State Athletics, College Football and Pro Football halls of fame).

http://www.coachtressel.com/tradition/retired_jerseys.php

You have to limit it to a very very select group. I think I'm unsure if I would allow professional accomplishments to weigh on the decision. I am leaning towards "no," in which case only Dryden's number should be retired under the argument that he played before the Hobey Baker award was handed out.