REDCast for 2009-2010

[tretiak]

Hmm...when I was a senior at Deerfield I was a student-assistant/goalie coach for the women's teams. So no, absolutely no experience with watching or coaching women's hockey. Except that.

And you're right the Clarkson women's team is amazing. They could skate circles around the US Women's National Team. The US Women's team isn't made up of the best American women to play hockey. Everyone here knows that collegiate hockey is played at a higher level than national teams. Paul Karpowich is backstopping the Canadian (Men's) National Team in Vancouver, right?

I never attacked women for playing hockey; I said no one wants to watch it. Nice specious argument there, pal. If you want to watch hockey and the men's team isn't there, go watch the club team or whatever version of it Clarkson has. The skill level is markedly better and club hockey players play for all the reasons your noble women do. Odds are the club players receive far less funding for their effort.

[Dpperk29]

[quote tretiak]

Hmm...when I was a senior at Deerfield I was a student-assistant/goalie coach for the women's teams. So no, absolutely no experience with watching or coaching women's hockey. Except that.

And you're right the Clarkson women's team is amazing. They could skate circles around the US Women's National Team. The US Women's team isn't made up of the best American women to play hockey. Everyone here knows that collegiate hockey is played at a higher level than national teams. Paul Karpowich is backstopping the Canadian (Men's) National Team in Vancouver, right?

I never attacked women for playing hockey; I said no one wants to watch it. Nice specious argument there, pal. If you want to watch hockey and the men's team isn't there, go watch the club team or whatever version of it Clarkson has. The skill level is markedly better and club hockey players play for all the reasons your noble women do. Odds are the club players receive far less funding for their effort.[/quote]

Alright fine, I get it, you have some experience with Women's hockey. Good for you. I would have never guessed it based on what you were saying.

Please explain to me where I said that the Clarkson Women's team is the best ever. Please point out to me where I said that they could skate circles around the United States National team and while your at it, why don't you point out to me where I said Karpowich is playing in the Olympics next year? Hell, you probably could point out where I said Elvis is alive and that there are the bodies of little green men from mars at Area 51 the way you are putting words in my mouth. (I do not believe either of those things)

I did say I was watching SOME of the best women's hockey in the country. I would say seeing three highly ranked teams in 2 days would qualify as SOME of the best, but by no means the best.

And frankly, no the Clarkson Club team isn't better than the Women's team here, and yes they do play it for the right reasons, and they get much less funding.

I get it, you think women's hockey is worse than watching D League (or whatever cornell calls there lowest league) intramural hockey, but that is your opinion. It's not awful to watch, frankly it is pretty entertaining. Instead of going and saying "Women's Hockey is awful to watch" why not just say it isn't your thing, or whatever instead of just saying a whole branch of a sport is worthless and awful?

[Robb]

[quote Dpperk29]Please explain to me where I said that the Clarkson Women's team is the best ever. [/quote]
I think it was this exchange:

Kyle Rose: I don't like watching women's hockey
Dpperk29: Try watching good teams, like Clarkson, UNH, and BU.
Kyle Rose: I've watched the Canadian national team.
Dpperk29: But well-played women's hockey is fun to watch.
Tretiak:  So you think we would see better women's hockey by watching Clarkson than national teams.  You're nuts.

I think that sums it up.

[KeithK]

[quote Dpperk29]I get it, you think women's hockey is worse than watching D League (or whatever cornell calls there lowest league) intramural hockey, but that is your opinion. It's not awful to watch, frankly it is pretty entertaining. Instead of going and saying "Women's Hockey is awful to watch" why not just say it isn't your thing, or whatever instead of just saying a whole branch of a sport is worthless and awful?[/quote]
Dude, it's a internet sports forum. You want calm words like "it's just not my thing"?  You should expect people to say things like "it's garbage" and "it's a waste of time". Just be glad that we're civil enough here to not use overly colorful language. :-)

[Roy 82]

[quote tretiak]

Yeah Dpperk...no. Sit this one out, etc. etc. Aside from someone as skilled as Rebecca Johnston who is an absolute beast on the ice, women's hockey just doesn't cut it. It's slow and just tough to watch. The US women's national team lost to a mediocre Minnesota men's high school team. Seriously.

http://antimisandry.com/sports/high-school-boys-beat-u-s-olympic-womens-hockey-team-237.html

This actually happened. And people here are pissed that Cornell lost to the U-18 USNTDP[/quote]

I find this result neither surprising nor discouraging for fans of women's hockey (the fact that you know of this website is somewhat more disturbing ::demented:.

How well do you think the best men's collegiate teams would do against an NHL or even AHL club? Now that I finally have a decent cable TV package, the difference in speed and skill level between the NHL and NCAA is very apparent (as if there were ever any question). And yet I am far more fanatical about NCAA hockey. So an argument based on speed and skill level doesn't always make sense.

I happen to follow both men's and women's collegiate volleyball and pro beach volleyball. Women's volleyball has a much bigger following than men's even though the men's game is much more athletic. Maybe women's hockey should be played in spandex?::popcorn::

[Dpperk29]

[quote Robb][quote Dpperk29]Please explain to me where I said that the Clarkson Women's team is the best ever. [/quote]
I think it was this exchange:

Kyle Rose: I don't like watching women's hockey
Dpperk29: Try watching good teams, like Clarkson, UNH, and BU.
Kyle Rose: I've watched the Canadian national team.
Dpperk29: But well-played women's hockey is fun to watch.
Tretiak:  So you think we would see better women's hockey by watching Clarkson than national teams.  You're nuts.

I think that sums it up.[/quote]

Except my reply about "well played women's hockey" was in response to tretiak's comment about it only being even marginally tolerable to watch good players. Obviously anyone with a sliver of common sense would figure out that the Canadian National team is the best in the business.

I will admit, my initial reactions to women's hockey were that it was slow, awkward, and boring. But after getting dragged to about 5 games by my friends, I found it to be very entertaining. All I want is for people to give it a chance if they want to, not listen to some whack job like tretiak* dismiss it like it is dog shit. If you give it a fair shake, and decide it isn't for you, that's fine.

*All whack job comments purely motivated by the assumption that tretiak was and/or is a goalie. Anyone who stands there and lets the puck get shot at them is obviously a little whacked behind the mask.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Hey guys.  Get a room.

::deadhorse::

[Rosey]

I hope I'm not beating a dead horse by adding what I think is an important point to this debate: just because women's hockey isn't a popular spectator sport doesn't mean the women should stop playing or some other such nonsense.  No one, for instance, would willingly watch the hockey teams I play for unless they were a captive audience (wife, husband, child, parent, etc.), and typically there are zero spectators for our games.  However, we derive value in the form of satisfaction/exercise/development from playing that IMO is way more important than whether someone else is watching or not.

Bottom line: sports are primarily about the athletes, not spectators, and if someone wants to play, they should, regardless of what anyone else thinks about their play.

[tretiak]

I've got nothing to add. You said it perfectly.

[tretiak]

actually it's the first result that pops up when you google "high school boys beat us women's team" and the electronic articles weren't working :-}

http://www.google.com/search?q=high+school+boys+beat+us+women%27s+team&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIT_en

[Roy 82]

For those folks who had problems in paying for the new Redcast subscription with their credit cards, did you finally have any success? What was the work around?

That's a great question. Hopefully someone here will know the answer. I tried tech support and they were not at all helpful ("Check that you have entered the information correctly" ).

[Jordan 04]

For those folks who had problems in paying for the new Redcast subscription with their credit cards, did you finally have any success? What was the work around?

That's a great question. Hopefully someone here will know the answer. I tried tech support and they were not at all helpful ("Check that you have entered the information correctly" ).

I tried again today and it still will not process. I got the same answer from tech support. Not sure what I'm supposed to do now. It's somewhat sad that they won't make more of an effort when someone is asking to purchase their product.

At least for tonight, Niagara has free audio.

[Rosey]

I tried again today and it still will not process. I got the same answer from tech support. Not sure what I'm supposed to do now. It's somewhat sad that they won't make more of an effort when someone is asking to purchase their product.

FWIW, I have the same problem with one of my credit cards when trying to charge an MBTA charlie card: the machines reject it, even though I successfully use that same card to buy pretty much everything else.  No explanation given by the machine, and I wouldn't even try to obtain one from MBTA management.  Thankfully, one of my other cards works fine.

[jkahn]

Archive of tonight's game is already available.

[scoop85]

Archive of tonight's game is already available.

Big improvement in service from even a year ago.  The video didn't freeze, the camera person followed the action pretty well, the sound worked fine, the replays worked.  For all the complaining we did (justifiably), I'm glad to see that Redcast has appeared to turn the corner (crossing fingers).