Clarkson Sucks Too

[Josh '99]

I don't pretend to understand the mechanics of the RPI and PWR anywhere near as well as other posters to this board, but I'd have to imagine that those two losses in the Everblades Tourney hurt us pretty substantially...  Not only because they're two of only five losses on the year up to this point, but also because they're losses to TUCs (as are all of our losses), and were our only games against the CCHA, hurting our commen opponents criteria with a lot of CCHA teams, I'd imagine.

[jeh25]

Jason N wrote:

(If only the Everblades tourny went Cornell's way, or am I putting too much value in those games in terms of how they affect our pairwise?)

Well, neither loss will affect our L16 directly as there are 16 regular season games scheduled after the Everblades tourney.  Given OSU has 6 games left against Michigan, Michigan State and Alaska-Fairbanks, all of whom are ahead of OSU in the CCHA, coupled with 4 more games against Miami and Ferris State, who are only 2 and 3 pts behind OSU in the standings, I suspect OSU will not finish above .500.  As such, the OSU loss should be a wash.

The loss to NMU on the other hand could very well keep us home if we do not win Placid. While we need a few more weeks before we can really speculate, that H2H loss could become critical.

Additionally, it really helps us for Harvard and Brown get hot down the stretch. A sweep of Brown with them as a TUC could help nicely. Likewise, if Harvard can win the the Beanpot, that should help our RPI. Also, a RS split with Harvard and a postseason win, coupled with a Harvard Beanpot, would, I imagine, help our cOP.

[KeithK]

I used 9-1-0 as a relative extreme, a record down the stretch which I am pretty sure would do it.  8-2-0 might do it.  7-3-0 might even be good enough, though I haven't checked any numbers.

You're right, 9-1-0 is a tall order (though not impossible - see '96 stretch run).  7-3-0 is a more reasonable expectation.

A good finish by Brown, RPI and Clarkson (all teams we've beaten near near TUC status) would help.

[Tom Lento]

UAH!  Don't forget UAH!  Assuming they drop their next two, if they can win 5.5 of their final 8 games they finish as a TUC, giving us two additional wins and (at this point) at least one or two more comparisons.  It seems like Cornell's worst category is TUC.  

So everybody root for the Chargers!  Go UAH!

[Greg Berge]

The ECAC title is the sine qua non standard of the season's excellence.  The NCAA bid is cream on top.

Request: please change the subject line when you post a reply; it makes threaded view useful.  Otherwise it's pretty useless.

[Al DeFlorio]

Greg, I agree wholeheartedly--assuming you mean winning in Lake Placid.

[jason]

Greg,
Maybe it's long years of being "programmed" by the old CHDF (sounds funny to say "old"), but I don't find the threaded format that appealing/comfortable. I think of each topic as a linear thread with all posts being a contribution to the topic. I'm probably inadvertantly undermining the thread approach by tacking whatever replay I have to the last post appearing in the flat view. (I'll have to try to be conscious of choosing reply for the specific post that I'm replying to and not just the last post under the topic.)

[Admin]

You know, the CHDF did have a threaded view option...

[Greg Berge]

I usually just tack onto flat, myself.  I was playing around with the threaded view yesterday, and it does make the forum more flexible.  Of course, it probably requires more concentration and planning than I'm usually willing to give.  ;-)

Oh, and since this hasn't come up on this thread in a while, Clarkson Sucks Too.

[Greg Berge]

Yes, I meant Placid.  RS #1 would be fun, but it's not something anybody treasures.  Anybody remember Yale '98?

[jy3]

clarkson and harvard both SUCK :-O

[Neil Shapiro \'83]

I know the RS title is not significant anymore, now that the guaranteed bye for winning both RS and ECAC tournament is gone, but....

Given the fact that Cornell has been one of the more dominant ECAC teams doesn't anybody else have a problem with the fact that we haven't won the RS title in the lifetime of the current student body?

[ugarte]

I love winning the tournament. And I love the thrill of getting an NCAA bid.  As Neil Shapiro points out, however, I have never had the thrill of seeing Cornell win a regular season title (I've never even seen a basketball title - I was a senior in HS in 1988) - and I am really hoping that this is the year.  

I think that an RS title would be good enough to get to the NCAA's (using as "I think" as a very crude proxy for "scientific analysis") and I really want the thrill of a regular season title.

Of course my nightmare is a Cornell RS win and Clarkson taking the tourney.  Vic B would (good-naturedly) have a field day with our past derogation of the RS in favor of the tournament.

We have a team this year that just may be good enough to take the whole ball-o-wax, and I want to use the RS to make sure that they are there to take the pressure off of the tournament.

[vicb]

Of course my nightmare is a Cornell RS win and Clarkson taking the tourney. Vic B would (good-naturedly) have a field day with our past derogation of the RS in favor of the tournament.

That would be every Clarkson Fans dream come true :-) .  I think this year Cornell has nothing to worry about as far as that scenario coming true.  Of coarse the Patriots are in the Super Bowl so anything could happen.  My take on the Big Red is that if they go 9-1 0r 8-2 to win the regular season title, as long as they don't pull a Clarkson and lose to the 10th place team in the opening round of the playoffs, they are in the NC$$.  And I will be cheering them on :-) .