NC$$ games Saturday 3/28/09

[CowbellGuy]

They talked to the guy who allegedly scored the goal and he said he didn't think it went in.

[bfischer]

I was at the game, but did not see any VMT celebration at the time of the supposed goal.

[JDeafv]

[quote Jacob '06]There is no physical way with the shots they showed that the puck did not go in the net.[/quote]

Yes there is!  Try the napkin experiment!

[JDeafv]

[quote Jordan 04] It went under the cross bar and inside the post.[/quote]

There's no way to tell if a puck is actually in the net just because a frame from the front of the net shows a puck "under" the crossbar.

[jtwcornell91]

The bottom half of the bracket now consists of UVM, BU, and UNH, which means that Hockey Least is guaranteed a spot in the final. ::yark::

[schoaff]

[quote Trotsky][quote reilly83]That shot was at about 10:00 of the OT.  Seems a shame to review it now (abount 4:00 something) and possibly change the score.  Would be a crappy way to end it. (Especially since I'm rooting for AF)[/quote]

Not as crappy as if they blew the call...[/quote]

We had a really awful no-goal call go against us in a late season game against Vermont where the puck when in and out of the net back in, uh, '89 I want to say that cost us home ice in the playoffs*. So if the call had been blown it would have just been really really slow Karma for Vermont. ;-)


* Or didn't. Doing this from memory. Do remember I was really annoyed about it when it happened.

[Trotsky]

[quote jtwcornell91]I can't imagine that the net somehow stretched enough to allow the puck through without ripping.[/quote]

The only times I have seen this happen, there has been a rip, and each time it's been just inside the post and a separation between twine and post, which might be the weakest point in the design.

The UVM guys mentioned seeing LeClaire do it once with Philadelphia.

I haven't seen the replay -- but it's hard to imagine a straight shot from in front of the net grazing the netting.  It would have to have come from below the crossbar, right -- hence a goal?

[TimV]

What? Since we don't like the WCHA either (right, Al?), were we hoping for a CCHA-ECAC-CHA final four???::wtf::

[JDeafv]

[quote Trotsky]
I haven't seen the replay -- but it's hard to imagine a straight shot from in front of the net grazing the netting.  It would have to have come from below the crossbar, right -- hence a goal?[/quote]

It is possible.  All shots on on an arc trajectory.  It is possible for a puck to go over the crossbar and hit the rear crossbar and move the net outward.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote JDeafv][quote Jordan 04] It went under the cross bar and inside the post.[/quote]

There's no way to tell if a puck is actually in the net just because a frame from the front of the net shows a puck "under" the crossbar.[/quote]

Right, the replay is two-dimensional so the shot from the end of the rink can't be conclusive.  But on the overhead, it looked like it was still on the inside of the post when it passed the crossbar.

[Trotsky]

[quote TimV]What? Since we don't like the WCHA either (right, Al?), were we hoping for a CCHA-ECAC-CHA final four???::wtf::[/quote]

Well, we were hoping for an ECAC-ECAC-ECAC-CCHA final four.

[JDeafv]

[quote jtwcornell91]
Right, the replay is two-dimensional so the shot from the end of the rink can't be conclusive.  But on the overhead, it looked like it was still on the inside of the post when it passed the crossbar.[/quote]

I agree that the overhead show it went between the pipes, but that doesn't tell you it was below the crossbar, and I doubt the cameras on the end and overhead are synchronized.

[jtwcornell91]

[quote TimV]What? Since we don't like the WCHA either (right, Al?), were we hoping for a CCHA-ECAC-CHA final four???::wtf::[/quote]

AHA, not CHA.  The CHA team is in our regional. :-}

[jtwcornell91]

[quote JDeafv][quote jtwcornell91]
Right, the replay is two-dimensional so the shot from the end of the rink can't be conclusive.  But on the overhead, it looked like it was still on the inside of the post when it passed the crossbar.[/quote]

I agree that the overhead show it went between the pipes, but that doesn't tell you it was below the crossbar, and I doubt the cameras on the end and overhead are synchronized.[/quote]

Ah, I had been considering the null hypothesis to be that the puck somehow went around the post and glanced off the netting in back.  But from your other posts, I see that your alternative explanation involves the puck not actually touching the part of the net that bulged out.  Now I'd have to stare at the replays again.

But really, the simplest test would have been to check the net for holes.  The odds that there's a hole in that part of the net that it didn't go through are tiny, and as you say, the puck couldn't go through an intact net like that.

[JDeafv]

[quote jtwcornell91] I see that your alternative explanation involves the puck not actually touching the part of the net that bulged out.[/quote]

You've articulated my hypothesis much better than I did.  Thanks.