"Off the Crossbar" today

marty · March 25, 2009, 05:44:02 PM

[quote ftyuv]I somehow missed the chatter about the Barlow goal earlier. Sounds pretty amazing! Is there a link to it anywhere?[/quote]Barlow's goal

redice · March 25, 2009, 05:44:05 PM

[quote Al DeFlorio]
Bridgeport::banana:: and Lake Placid::yark:: bidding for ECACs?
[/quote]

At the risk for flaunting the obvious, bidding doesn't mean that they'll get them. Here's hoping that Albany keeps them. LP, Bridgeport: ::barf::

Albany has its faults. But, until they come up with something better (which they haven't), they need to leave it in Albany. At least it's centrally located.

This is a case where change for the sake of change is a bad thing!!

Maybe Syracuse will one day build a 5-8K arena. Then they can get a shot. But, I suspect those who dislike Albany will dislike Syracuse, as well.

Given: They're not going to please everybody. And, probably don't intend to try. It'll be decided by factors that have nothing to do with our opinions.

Rich S · March 25, 2009, 05:52:55 PM

[quote KeithK][quote Rich S][quote Trotsky][quote Al DeFlorio]Gallagher and both Devins to miss the NCAAs with injuries:-/. Bridgeport::banana:: and Lake Placid::yark:: bidding for ECACs?

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20090325/SPORTS/903250322/1006[/quote]

Excellent quote by Marsh.

The debated change in the travel partner system is a little worrying, but it comes up as often as the BTHC.

I've never been to Bridgeport. Lake Placid would be great. If the tournament is only going to draw 5-7k, might as well have it in paradise rather than some hole.[/quote]

A hole...like Ithaca? :-)[/quote]
Well sure. But a hole with home ice advantage is still a good thing![/quote]

True, which is why the ECAC isn't going to stage the tourney in Ithaca. And yes, I realize the comment was said in jest.

ftyuv · March 25, 2009, 06:19:03 PM

[quote marty][quote ftyuv]I somehow missed the chatter about the Barlow goal earlier. Sounds pretty amazing! Is there a link to it anywhere?[/quote]Barlow's goal[/quote]

Thanks. And wow.

Though I can't help but wondering if the fact that he didn't even look to pass to Riley or Jillson (who seemed a bit more open to me) implies some frustration with his teammates, or at least with the scoreboard. Then again, sometimes that bit of selfishness/frustration is exactly what it takes to remind a team that it can win if it wants.

KeithK · March 25, 2009, 06:30:25 PM

[quote redice]
This is a case where change for the sake of change is a bad thing!!
[/quote]
I'm not sure the league is looking to change things for the sake of change. I think it's more that Albany's contract is ending and they are willing to entertain other offers.

Rosey · March 25, 2009, 06:36:46 PM

Albany isn't a great town, but it has enough bars, enough cheap hotels, and is close enough to every school that it is probably the least evil of all options. I would probably go no matter where they held it, but having it in Albany makes a weekend trip reasonable without missing an entire day of work.

ugarte · March 25, 2009, 07:58:01 PM

[quote ftyuv][quote marty][quote ftyuv]I somehow missed the chatter about the Barlow goal earlier. Sounds pretty amazing! Is there a link to it anywhere?[/quote]Barlow's goal[/quote]

Thanks. And wow.

Though I can't help but wondering if the fact that he didn't even look to pass to Riley or Jillson (who seemed a bit more open to me) implies some frustration with his teammates, or at least with the scoreboard. Then again, sometimes that bit of selfishness/frustration is exactly what it takes to remind a team that it can win if it wants.[/quote]
It looked to me like "if they aren't going to put a body on me, I'm taking this as far as they'll let me". I say this without intending to take anything away from Barlow, because the cut from right to left around the defender and the goal were both excellent, the defense was really embarrassing on that goal.

ftyuv · March 25, 2009, 08:09:33 PM

[quote ugarte][quote ftyuv][quote marty][quote ftyuv]I somehow missed the chatter about the Barlow goal earlier. Sounds pretty amazing! Is there a link to it anywhere?[/quote]Barlow's goal[/quote]

Thanks. And wow.

Though I can't help but wondering if the fact that he didn't even look to pass to Riley or Jillson (who seemed a bit more open to me) implies some frustration with his teammates, or at least with the scoreboard. Then again, sometimes that bit of selfishness/frustration is exactly what it takes to remind a team that it can win if it wants.[/quote]
It looked to me like "if they aren't going to put a body on me, I'm taking this as far as they'll let me". I say this without intending to take anything away from Barlow, because the cut from right to left around the defender and the goal were both excellent, the defense was really embarrassing on that goal.[/quote]I see your point... but by the same token, he had to lift a pass to himself when he had an easy passing lane to someone who would have been in about as good a position as he ended up being in. That to me says that he didn't trust his teammates to hustle for the goal. Which, to be honest, looks like a fair judgment -- neither one of them were moving their legs.

Obviously I have nowhere near the level of experience or talent as even the CU hockey rejects... but in my games I've definitely had moments of thinking "dammit we're going to make this work, and if you guys are going to just sit there, I'll just do it myself." Maybe it's me just being selfish, but I think I recognize a bit of that in his play.

Flyers1037 · March 25, 2009, 09:39:49 PM

[quote ftyuv][quote ugarte][quote ftyuv][quote marty][quote ftyuv]I somehow missed the chatter about the Barlow goal earlier. Sounds pretty amazing! Is there a link to it anywhere?[/quote]Barlow's goal[/quote]

Thanks. And wow.

Though I can't help but wondering if the fact that he didn't even look to pass to Riley or Jillson (who seemed a bit more open to me) implies some frustration with his teammates, or at least with the scoreboard. Then again, sometimes that bit of selfishness/frustration is exactly what it takes to remind a team that it can win if it wants.[/quote]
It looked to me like "if they aren't going to put a body on me, I'm taking this as far as they'll let me". I say this without intending to take anything away from Barlow, because the cut from right to left around the defender and the goal were both excellent, the defense was really embarrassing on that goal.[/quote]I see your point... but by the same token, he had to lift a pass to himself when he had an easy passing lane to someone who would have been in about as good a position as he ended up being in. That to me says that he didn't trust his teammates to hustle for the goal. Which, to be honest, looks like a fair judgment -- neither one of them were moving their legs.

Obviously I have nowhere near the level of experience or talent as even the CU hockey rejects... but in my games I've definitely had moments of thinking "dammit we're going to make this work, and if you guys are going to just sit there, I'll just do it myself." Maybe it's me just being selfish, but I think I recognize a bit of that in his play.[/quote]

I was actually afraid that he WAS going to pass to Riley and not finish it himself...

Beeeej · March 25, 2009, 11:54:46 PM

[quote Kyle Rose]Albany isn't a great town, but it has enough bars, enough cheap hotels, and is close enough to every school that it is probably the least evil of all options. I would probably go no matter where they held it, but having it in Albany makes a weekend trip reasonable without missing an entire day of work.[/quote]

Bingo. I loved Lake Placid as a resort-type weekend destination, but I absolutely do not miss the trip to get there and back. Plus, all the hotels that don't suck are über-expensive. If you don't want to be able to hear an Anbinder snore a couple of rooms over through the thin glit walls, you have to shell out handsomely.

Beeeej · March 26, 2009, 12:59:58 AM

After watching it a few more times, I'm nearly convinced that he tried to dish it off, with what ended up being the "pass to himself" over the diving defender's stick. Since the pass failed but he was already where the puck ended up, why not just take the shot?

I don't really think he was either being selfish or deliberately trying to fire up the team with an individual effort, I think it's just how the play evolved.

KeithK · March 26, 2009, 02:13:05 AM

[quote Beeeej]I don't really think he was either being selfish or deliberately trying to fire up the team with an individual effort, I think it's just how the play evolved.[/quote]
You're probably right. But regardless, it's only being selfish if you don't score!

ftyuv · March 26, 2009, 10:12:31 AM

Just to clarify, I don't see selfishness as an inherent evil in hockey. There are times that trying to include your teammates in a play is the wrong thing to do. Barlow's goal is a good example.

imafrshmn · March 27, 2009, 02:27:53 AM

I'm surprised nobody voiced complaint about Lake Placid as an ECAC host, with their Olympic ice sheet. I guess the glories of 1970 make up for it.

KeithK · March 27, 2009, 02:38:52 AM

[quote imafrshmn]I'm surprised nobody voiced complaint about Lake Placid as an ECAC host, with their Olympic ice sheet. I guess the glories of 1970 make up for it.[/quote]
Sure, the Olympic sheet is a negative. But many of us accepted that years ago, after years of going there. Strong opinions about the place as a host for the ECACs tend to be based on the town/location. Either you think it's isolated, hard to get to and expensive or a wonderful little resort town that lives and breathes hockey during the tournament weekend.