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[Rosey]

I agree with you about MSG and this is not meant in any way as a knock on today's undergrad classes who I think are just as fierce and fun a fanbase as we've ever had.

I disagree. As someone who stands in the supporters' section for New York Red Bulls games -- where we sing & chant for the entire match -- I'm not impressed by the amount of noise we make or the amount of dead air there is during play.

And as someone who stood in Lynah from 1996-1998, I assert with only my recollection as evidence that the student section was a lot better back in my day. It certainly was a lot more imaginative: lots of individuals screaming funny things, and a lot of cheers created/imported during that period.

Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"?  I do. :-)

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[Rosey]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!" :-)

[Chris '03]

Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"?  I do. :-)

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Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

[css228]

Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"?  I do. :-)

[/walker][/lawn]

Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

There are people that try to actually mimic what he's doing, especially the band, but it just doesn't seem to catch on with most people. Maybe the best remedy is to use sparingly.

[Chris '03]

Remember when the remote control goalie chant was more than just "skate skate skate turn bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over bend over"?  I do. :-)

[/walker][/lawn]

Yes. And it's current incarnation makes me sad.

"skate, skate, tuuuuuuurn, stop, tap, sweeeeep, tap, tap, tap, drink, pose, bend over"

There are people that try to actually mimic what he's doing, especially the band, but it just doesn't seem to catch on with most people. Maybe the best remedy is to use sparingly.

That's really the issue. Somewhere in the past 5 or so years it went from mimicking to unimaginatively directing and lost a lot of its fun and power.

[Robb]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!" :-)

Save that one for when we play PSU.  :-O

What, too soon?

(Thank goodness there's no "-1" button any more!)

[BMac]

Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

I've been hearing the "everyone just repeats the same cheers" song since I was a freshman (I'm class of '08).

Unless you're standing in A, you can't HEAR the good stuff. The sieve can. That's what matters.

We (in A) were pretty darn good from '05-'08. I'm sure a lot of the perception people on ElF have is because they're used to standing in A/B, and now are trying to hear for the same awesome stuff they remember but from much farther away, or in fewer games.

[RichH]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.  I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

[css228]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Exactly: "sucks" is the censored/cleaned-up version of the phrase. What's the problem again?

At least this puts the universe back in balance.

"Performs oral sex upon" is also a "cleaned up version" but since they all mean the same thing... they all mean the same thing.

By this logic, you should actually appreciate "sucks" because no young kid would know it came from "sucks dick": they'd already have to have knowledge of oral sex to make that connection.

Personally, I want to hear section B start up a "Harrrrr-vard... performs oral sex upon boys!" chant and see how that fares compared to "sucks" or "fuck 'em up" or even "the ref fucks sheep!" :-)

Save that one for when we play PSU.  :-O

What, too soon?

I would say so, but that'd that'd be hypocritical of me having jokingly suggested chanting "Pedo State" when they come...

[css228]

Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

I've been hearing the "everyone just repeats the same cheers" song since I was a freshman (I'm class of '08).

Unless you're standing in A, you can't HEAR the good stuff. The sieve can. That's what matters.

We (in A) were pretty darn good from '05-'08. I'm sure a lot of the perception people on ElF have is because they're used to standing in A/B, and now are trying to hear for the same awesome stuff they remember but from much farther away, or in fewer games.

A/B is good (Still sitting in A this year) but there just hasn't been that much addition to the tradition. I love our traditional chants, and my friends and I go to pains to make sure some of the better ones are used (spelling the goalies name, black hole), but the problem isn't the intensity or even the individual in game cheers. We've had some great one's this year. Don't remember what team Campbell played for, but the "Chicken Noodle" chant was great. The problem to me seems to be that people just aren't adding to the traditions. I think that's all people are saying. That we should make our own Lynah Faithful legacy rather than relying on the every game chants that have already been there. We need our own Stephen Baby chant for this era of Cornell Hockey.

[Chris '03]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.  I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

If it's used on network tv between 7 and 9 on a friday or saturday night, it should be fair game at a hockey game played on friday or saturday night between 7 and 9 without any question whatsoever and no one should expect "better" language at the game.

[Trotsky]

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.

So it would be completely the same thing to chant "sucks!" at women's games, right?

Right?

Uh huh, I thought not.

I love you dearly, Rich, but that dog don't hunt.

[KeithK]

I still boggle at the thought of anyone being offended by "Sucks" as en expression,

You know that it's short for "sucks dick" right?

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.  I've always thought that "sucks" is 100% interchangeable with "stinks" in both definition and level of offensiveness.

Exactly.  It doesn't have a sexual connotation anymore.  It's become a generic negative comment.  Words change their meanings over time in colloquial use.  Which is why I wrote "close to my age".

[RichH]

Only to a certain generation, at this point. I doubt anyone under a certain age says "sucks" casually and intends to express similarity to the act of fellatio.

So it would be completely the same thing to chant "sucks!" at women's games, right?

Right?

Uh huh, I thought not.

I love you dearly, Rich, but that dog don't hunt.

I'm not really a fan of the high-handedness, so why don't you let me answer your question?

Truth be told: To me, personally, it is the same thing.  In my not-so-illustrious history, I *have* chanted "sucks!" at women's games.  It wasn't until after friends tackled me (or some similar action) that it even occurred to me that it could be misinterpreted to the filthy-old-man definition.  To me, "sucks" = "stinks" = "word expressing a generic bad quality."  That's it.  That doesn't mean that I still would chant "Sucks!" at a women's game now that I realize people read more depravity into it than I do, the same way that I wouldn't scream "How is that a fucking dive, you asshat ref?" in front of ugarte's kid.  The reason I wouldn't isn't because I think the words themselves are offensive (I don't think they are without intent), but because I don't want others to be upset with me.  I try to be respectful to my fellow humans, even if their sensitivities are calibrated to a different scale than mine.  When it's clear that I've crossed a line with someone, I try to apologize where possible.  And I'm certainly not going to tell people how to raise their kids.  I'll just wage this crusade on internet message boards and hope society comes around to the fact that a 7 year-old hearing the word "fuck" isn't going to turn him into a homicidal rapist.

I've thought about this a lot over the years.  Words themselves do not offend me...hate speech does.  What's the difference? Intent.  If I say "Why are you going to see that Amy Grant concert, Greg? She sucks," or "Natalie Portman may have won best actress for Black Swan, but she sucked in Episode II," do you really think I mean there's pornography going on?  I certainly hope not.  I'm willing to bet that you've made similar statements about certain artists.  Intent, not content, means everything to my inoffensive/offensive needle.  Now who's the arbiter of "intent?"  I don't know, probably the same people who decided at some point that "doo-doo" is socially acceptable and "shit" is not.  Dang vs. damn, "WTF" vs. "What the Fuck," "MILF" vs. well, you know.  That's the point...everybody already knows what it means! Why bother masking?  There's a sign on a theater in my neighborhood that advertises a show, "The Motherf#cker With the Hat." Is that one character substitution the only thing propping our society up instead of collapsing into a sea of debauchery and lawlessness?  I know what it reads. KIDS know what it reads. Everybody knows what it reads.  Why pretend to have some sort of moral barrier there?

Obvious caveat, there are quite a few words that have hate-speech intent built-in. N-word, C-word, and most slurs about groups of people/nationalities/religions/orientations for example.  But the shit/fuck/ass trinity? Meaningless without intent.  

Suck it. ::uptosomething::

[Chris '03]

Obvious caveat, there are quite a few words that have hate-speech intent built-in. N-word, C-word, and most slurs about groups of people/nationalities/religions/orientations for example.  

Like Fighting Sioux? ::bolt::