Niagara Game 1 Post Game

[HockeyMan]

[quote Jim Hyla]

From today's IJ[/url]]Jared Seminoff, Brendon Nash and Tyler Mugford were on the ice for all 68 seconds of a Niagara five-on-three, helping the Big Red hold on to its slim one-goal lead.

I think that tells what coach thinks about Brendon Nash. I hope we can all look more closely now.[/quote]

B Nash gets huge ice time in PK situations, and at key moments late in games.  And he should.  No one questions his talent, or his importance to this team.  It's what he does in the non- or lower-pressure situations that I find puzzling.

So yes, let's all look more closely now.

[imafrshmn]

Brendan Nash is often too hesitant with the puck in the offensive end.  His shots have thus been susceptible to being blocked.

[cbuckser]

Scali is dressed and on the fourth line tonight.

[Al DeFlorio]

No Jillson tonight.  And no B. Nash.

[Bahnstorm]

I thought Seminoff skating out during the lineups at the start of the game and breaking his stick Schafer style was a great homage to the jersey he was wearing. Clever stuff, it looked like some of the Niagara players got a kick out of it too.

[BMac]

He did that? Ooooh, I missed it- we couldn't get RedCast working in time. Does anyone have a video?

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Jim Hyla]

From today's IJ[/url]]Jared Seminoff, Brendon Nash and Tyler Mugford were on the ice for all 68 seconds of a Niagara five-on-three, helping the Big Red hold on to its slim one-goal lead.

I think that tells what coach thinks about Brendon Nash. I hope we can all look more closely now.[/quote]

Guess who has the best +/- for CU. Seminoff and our own B. Nash with +9. They are followed closely by Mugford and R. Nash with +7. Wonder why they get PK? Yes I know +/- doesn't pertain to PK and I'm mixing stats, but since coach sees fit to put him in PK and he doesn't seem to hurt us in +/-, I think we could say he's a big help to the team.

[BCrespi]

Where do you find plus/minus stats?

[Avash]

[quote BCrespi]Where do you find plus/minus stats?[/quote]

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team-overall.php?td=18

[dbilmes]

[quote Jim Hyla]

Guess who has the best +/- for CU. Seminoff and our own B. Nash with +9. They are followed closely by Mugford and R. Nash with +7. Wonder why they get PK? Yes I know +/- doesn't pertain to PK and I'm mixing stats, but since coach sees fit to put him in PK and he doesn't seem to hurt us in +/-, I think we could say he's a big help to the team.[/quote]

I never put too much stock into plus-minus stats. B. Nash is usually on the ice when his brother's line is on the ice, which means the other team usually has their checking line on the ice. By the same token, a team's best defensive pairing is usually going to be on the ice when the other team puts it's top line on the ice. Cornell will usually have one of its checking lines on the ice then. So it stands to figure that the better defensive players often have worse plus-minus figures than the better offensive players, simply because of the dynamics of the lineups.
What I know about B. Nash is that he frequently coughs up the puck in our zone, leading to prime scoring chances for the opposition. There's no doubt he's got a lot of talent, but as has been pointed out in previous posts, his mental lapses often prove costly.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote Avash][quote BCrespi]Where do you find plus/minus stats?[/quote]

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team-overall.php?td=18[/quote]

You can also get them from the ECAC site. Go to Statistics, then the team you want, then click on individuals. You can sort them by any category.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote dbilmes][quote Jim Hyla]

Guess who has the best +/- for CU. Seminoff and our own B. Nash with +9. They are followed closely by Mugford and R. Nash with +7. Wonder why they get PK? Yes I know +/- doesn't pertain to PK and I'm mixing stats, but since coach sees fit to put him in PK and he doesn't seem to hurt us in +/-, I think we could say he's a big help to the team.[/quote]

I never put too much stock into plus-minus stats. B. Nash is usually on the ice when his brother's line is on the ice, [/quote]

I don't know that this is true. Do you have any data, or just your observation? And if that's why he has a great +/-, why is it better than his brother's?

By the same token, a team's best defensive pairing is usually going to be on the ice when the other team puts it's top line on the ice. Cornell will usually have one of its checking lines on the ice then. So it stands to figure that the better defensive players often have worse plus-minus figures than the better offensive players,

That is true, but since coach seems to feel the Seminoff/B. Nash pairing is one of our best, wouldn't it seem they'd be on with the best opposing offense, and then get bad +/-? I don't know that that is true, as I don't have any data about when defensive pairs are on the ice, but just saying.

What I know about B. Nash is that he frequently coughs up the puck in our zone, leading to prime scoring chances for the opposition. There's no doubt he's got a lot of talent, but as has been pointed out in previous posts, his mental lapses often prove costly.

If they prove so costly, why isn't his +/- showing it. I know stats are not always revealing, but sometimes they are at least as good as impressions.

[Trotsky]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote dbilmes]I never put too much stock into plus-minus stats. B. Nash is usually on the ice when his brother's line is on the ice, [/quote]

I don't know that this is true. Do you have any data, or just your observation?[/quote]I'd be really surprised if there was a correlation between the shifts for the forwards and D.  They seem to be independent.

Unless what's meant is that they happen to be on the ice together often because the Nash line plays a lot and the Nash pairing plays a lot.

There are guys who seem to be magnets for this criticism.  Off the top of my head: Gary Cullen, Kent Manderville, Ryan Hughes, Denis Ladouceur, Sasha Pokulok, Brendon Nash...

[dragonfan]

Scrivens saves B.Nash's butt from having a way worst +/-,I can remember many of times and not to mention his pulldowns and hooks at the worst times in the games.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote Avash][quote BCrespi]Where do you find plus/minus stats?[/quote]

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/team-overall.php?td=18[/quote]

It was also in the program this weekend.