New NCAA rules

[jtwcornell91]

[quote KeithK][quote jtwcornell91][quote KeithK]The old Hockey East shootout points system was vastly superior to the NHL's silliness.  A game should be worth a fixed number of points for crying out loud.[/quote]

The International/European shootout rules are zero-sum.  Unfortunately they consider a result in overtime to be equivalent to a result in a shootout: a 2-1 division of points.  (I guess with the HE 5-point thing you could split them 4-1 if someone wins in OT and 3-2 if there's a shootout, but to me the game is the game.)[/quote]
How about calling a win in overtime what it is - a win?  I think it's silly to give consolation points for making it to overtime.  I realize the NHL wanted to encourage teams to try harder to win in OT (less downside, since you already have a point) but it just transfers the disincentive to the end of the third.[/quote]

Agreed.  Zero sum is better than non-zero-sum, but a result in OT should count the same as a result in regulation.  (Hence "unfortunately" above.)

[Swampy]

[quote KeithK][quote mnagowski]A high school coach of mine used to say, "I tie is like kissing your sister."[/quote]
I assume the coach wasn't also an English teacher...
[/quote]
Or from the Ozarks ::deadhorse::

[billhoward]

Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.

[Josh '99]

[quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]People would huddle around the TV if they decided to resolve ties with a knife-throwing contest too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[ugarte]

[quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]People would huddle around the TV if they decided to resolve ties with a knife-throwing contest too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.[/quote]
And by 'not a good idea,' I assume you mean IT'S A GREAT IDEA!

[Josh '99]

[quote ugarte][quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]People would huddle around the TV if they decided to resolve ties with a knife-throwing contest too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.[/quote]
And by 'not a good idea,' I assume you mean IT'S A GREAT IDEA![/quote]It certainly could provide the NHL with a ratings boost.

[Beeeej]

[quote Josh '99][quote ugarte][quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]People would huddle around the TV if they decided to resolve ties with a knife-throwing contest too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.[/quote]
And by 'not a good idea,' I assume you mean IT'S A GREAT IDEA![/quote]It certainly could provide the NHL with a ratings boost.[/quote]

What if they were throwing knives at, say, Gary Bettman?

[Josh '99]

[quote Beeeej][quote Josh '99][quote ugarte][quote Josh '99][quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout.

Best team doesn't always win the shootout? Doesn't always happen right now. One lucky shot, one missed penalty, one puck that bounces off the skate determines the winner.

I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]People would huddle around the TV if they decided to resolve ties with a knife-throwing contest too, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.[/quote]
And by 'not a good idea,' I assume you mean IT'S A GREAT IDEA![/quote]It certainly could provide the NHL with a ratings boost.[/quote]

What if they were throwing knives at, say, Gary Bettman?[/quote]Even bigger ratings boost, especially in Hartford.

[BCrespi]

[quote billhoward]Sports Illustrated did a piece on the NHL shootout 2-3 years back and said, no matter what we (fans) think, it grabbed the attention of NHL players who weren't playing right then -- they'd huddle around the TV to see the shootout. I'm okay with a shootout.[/quote]

While I agree that this is very important, I don't think it's because the shootout itself is that great (For full disclosure, I don't hate the shootout and don't mind its presence).  If you told a locker room full of hockey players that a tie game was going to surely have a winner within two minutes, I bet most would watch as well.

[billhoward]

Ambiguity is not good. At the end of Thelma and Louise, you knew there'd be noooo way there could be a sequel. At the end of the day (gag, did I write that?), I want to hear the Fat Lady sing or see the cowboy gun down the bad guys then hug his horse, his girl, or his partner (depending on who the Western targets), and I like seeing a winner every hockey game because one thing that keeps the losing side's fans going is the ablity to play "if only." Hey, it's only a freankin' game.

[Robb]

[quote billhoward]I like seeing a winner every hockey game because one thing that keeps the losing side's fans going is the ablity to play "if only." Hey, it's only a freankin' game.[/quote]

You've never played "if only" after a tie?  That's even closer, but without the cigar...

[LaJollaRed]

I completely agree. For four years on the hill, tie-games were somehow harder to swallow than losses. I'm not a fan of shootouts, but I like ties a lot less.

A tie hockey game is like getting a stripper for your birthday...an ugly stripper with visible bullet wounds...

[ftyuv]

That's actually why I like keeping ties, oddly enough.  Hockey (like any sport) is about the highs and the lows.  Ties give games that ugh-it's-a-tie-but-at-least-we-didn't-lose-but-damn-ties-suck dimension, and I actually like the added emotional roller coaster that comes with them.

[billhoward]

[quote LaJollaRed]A tie hockey game is like getting a stripper for your birthday...an ugly stripper with visible bullet wounds...[/quote]

... we're heading toward a discussion of Duke lacrosse

[ftyuv]

[quote billhoward][quote LaJollaRed]A tie hockey game is like getting a stripper for your birthday...an ugly stripper with visible bullet wounds...[/quote]

... we're heading toward a discussion of Duke lacrosse[/quote]Oh, hmm, I thought it was a Kuma's reference*.




*I've never been to Kuma's, and I meant no offense if you or yo momma work there.  But I've heard stories.