Ivy football / Cornell football future

[Lauren '06]

[quote Josh '99][quote Section A Banshee]There is a popular notion going around the athletic department that the band is basically a slave to whatever the coaches want, with no identity or rights of its own.  When I managed the pep band, the ugliest example of this was with women's lacrosse.  It wouldn't surprise me if somebody took serious offense at Cornell Victorious being played if it was against the coach's wishes.  Should we care, maybe not, but I don't blame the band leadership for not wanting to catch any more flack than they already do... it's not like we were ever any good at playing it anyway.[/quote]Maybe we would've had more practice if the football team won more games.[/quote]
The one year we did try to get it into shape in my time, the football team went 0-7 Ivy.  Coincidence? ::help::

[Scersk '97]

[quote Section A Banshee]There is a popular notion going around the athletic department that the band is basically a slave to whatever the coaches want, with no identity or rights of its own.  When I managed the pep band, the ugliest example of this was with women's lacrosse.  It wouldn't surprise me if somebody took serious offense at Cornell Victorious being played if it was against the coach's wishes.  Should we care, maybe not, but I don't blame the band leadership for not wanting to catch any more flack than they already do... it's not like we were ever any good at playing it anyway.[/quote]

I do blame the leadership.  Catching some flack is listed on the job descriptions for positions like Drum Major, Head Manager, and Pep Band Head Manager.  If you don't want to be put in uncomfortable situations, don't bid the job.

Basically, who controls the band?  The students do, unless they let someone else tell them what to do.  If some coach gets uppity, don't go to games.    When some athlete asks you why the band hasn't been there (it happens), tell them their coach meddles in things he or she doesn't understand.  Have our other main gigs--hockey and lacrosse (and "sprint" football)--ever really presented problems?  No.

I mean, really.  If there were sanctions against the band for playing a traditional song that many, many Cornellians love and that doesn't kick up any obscene singing, I think it would be a perfect opportunity to raise holy hell and expose just how petty and contrived everything seems to be for the current Athletics regime.

[Robb]

[quote Scersk '97]
Basically, who controls the band?  The students do, unless they let someone else tell them what to do.[/quote]

Except that isn't the band technically under the authority of the Athletics Department?  If came down to a pissing contest between a coach and the band, I think it's pretty clear that Andy Noel would be the biggest hoser.

[Chris '03]

[quote Robb][quote Scersk '97]
Basically, who controls the band?  The students do, unless they let someone else tell them what to do.[/quote]

Except that isn't the band technically under the authority of the Athletics Department?  If came down to a pissing contest between a coach and the band, I think it's pretty clear that Andy Noel would be the biggest hoser.[/quote]

I think the band is technically a registered student organization with music and athletics advisors. They are "under the authority" of athletics with respect to the privilege of performing at games just as fans at lynah are under similar authority with respect to telling the ref he engages in sexual acts with sheep.

[Scersk '97]

[quote Robb][quote Scersk '97]
Basically, who controls the band?  The students do, unless they let someone else tell them what to do.[/quote]

Except that isn't the band technically under the authority of the Athletics Department?  If came down to a pissing contest between a coach and the band, I think it's pretty clear that Andy Noel would be the biggest hoser.[/quote]

Well, that's pretty much always true, isn't it?