Cornell-Yale Post Game

[jtwcornell91]

So our game-winning goal was an empty-netter.  We were on the other side of that in Florida a few years ago; got to be frustrating for Yale.

[marty]

[quote billhoward]

Our PP (0x4) is not very effective yet except it's a great four-corner stall when we're protecting the lead, as Cornell showed in controlling play from 4:00 left in the third to 2:00 left. Except for a Yale clear out of play that brought the puck back into the Yale zone, Cornell didn't allow the puck out of the Yale end. One other PP highlight: Joe Devin, I believe, almost cut the pipe in half with a slapshot that bounced out not in.[/quote]

I was watching on the free Yale All Access and so my vision was impaired, but the PP was better than I remember from last year.  The puck was worked down low and Yale's defense isn't bad - they seemed to block the lanes well on the penalty kill.

Yale is a better team than they have been for the past few seasons.  The coaching change is working, but as was mentioned they only have one potent line.

[billhoward]

Re the Cornell power play: Yes, we did get it down low at times. We also had one frustrating play when the two points went back and forth, Yale kept eding closer, and a Yale lunge deflected the pass. Had the Yalie been a step quicker he could have been moving in on Scrivens unmolested.

We also had another PP (the third of four tries, maybe, the fourth being our keepaway PP with 4:00 left) where it took us nearly the first minute to establish ourselves in the Yale end.

Yes, we should give Yale credit for being better than Yales of the past decade. We also should give Cornell leeway for being a young team, missing a key defender, and we've more often finished the season stronger than we began it. Excepting those two ECAC Q-final disasters.

[tvset]

GOOD GAME ! ! !

    I am still worried about the back door (back post) being exposed. In the games I've watched, that damn door gets unattended alot. And all that is needs to be done is to set a man to close down that gaping hole. There has been several times I have watched an opposing player camped out there just waiting for the feed.

 Still all-in-all let's celebrate the win !!!!!!

   Hip! Hip! Hoorah!

[Townie]

[quote tvset]GOOD GAME ! ! !

    I am still worried about the back door (back post) being exposed. In the games I've watched, that damn door gets unattended alot. And all that is needs to be done is to set a man to close down that gaping hole. There has been several times I have watched an opposing player camped out there just waiting for the feed.[/quote]

This has been a consistent problem for several seasons now.

[Trotsky]

Last year they were subpar on:

1. Back door
2. Consistency in net
3. Breakout on banana peels
4. No finisher
5. Impotent powerplay
6. Passion and determination


1 and 3 are coaching.  2 and 4 are talent.  5 is a combination of both.  6 is team chemistry and so far this year there is a tremendous improvement.

[Rita]

[quote Trotsky]Last year they were subpar on:

1. Back door
2. Consistency in net
3. Breakout on banana peels
4. No finisher
5. Impotent powerplay
6. Passion and determination


1 and 3 are coaching.  2 and 4 are talent.  5 is a combination of both.  6 is team chemistry and so far this year there is a tremendous improvement.[/quote]

#1 also goes to "talent". The defense needs to keep their heads on a swivel and check behind them. The coaches can yell, scream and preach  all they want, but until they get a remote control that can move the defenders to cover the open man, it is up to the players to make sure everyone on offense is marked up.

I hope this will be solved with better communication between the players on the ice. For those of you who have been at the games are you able to hear the defense and do they help each other out (i.e. I got #5 in the slot, watch the guy on the right)?

[Townie]

[quote Rita][quote Trotsky]Last year they were subpar on:

1. Back door
2. Consistency in net
3. Breakout on banana peels
4. No finisher
5. Impotent powerplay
6. Passion and determination


1 and 3 are coaching.  2 and 4 are talent.  5 is a combination of both.  6 is team chemistry and so far this year there is a tremendous improvement.[/quote]

#1 also goes to "talent". The defense needs to keep their heads on a swivel and check behind them. The coaches can yell, scream and preach  all they want, but until they get a remote control that can move the defenders to cover the open man, it is up to the players to make sure everyone on offense is marked up. [/quote]

Absolutely. In fact, at this level of play, they should not need coaching on this very fundamental aspect of the game.

[redhair34]

[quote billhoward] One other PP highlight: Joe Devin, I believe, almost cut the pipe in half with a slapshot that bounced out not in.
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Close.  It was Mike.  We had their pk on the ropes as the pp was running out and everyone collapsed towards the net.  He snuck in from the point to just below the top of the circle and rung one off the right side of the crossbar.

[crodger1]

[quote billhoward]Also: There was nobody home at the game. No Yale fans. Hardly any Cornell fans. (But still more Cornell fans than Yale, or so it seemed.) The "Red!" shout during the anthem was the most raggedy-assed Cornell cheer in years. No Cornell pep band. It was nice hearing the Yalies in our section gripe about there being more Cornell than Yale fans. If Yale announced more than 2,000, it's a typo. (Officially, they announced 3,180.)
[/quote]

I ran into a guy after the game (coming into the rink to play an IM game) who was a season ticket holder for Yale hockey until this season.  I mentioned that there wasn't a big Yale crowd and he seemed to think that part of the reason was that there's a nice new facility with easy parking and a somewhat higher ranked hockey team in the nearby hamlet of Hamden that's been drawing away some of the "townie" crowd.  It might also have helped that the team that this new rink was built for played a fair portion of a season in the Whale while their rink was under construction, possibly winning over some fans (if I'm remembering correctly).

For more, see the other thread about how great the Deer Ticks' new rink is: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,119877,119877#msg-119877

[dbilmes]

[quote billhoward]There was nobody home at the game. No Yale fans. Hardly any Cornell fans. (But still more Cornell fans than Yale, or so it seemed.) The "Red!" shout during the anthem was the most raggedy-assed Cornell cheer in years. No Cornell pep band. It was nice hearing the Yalies in our section gripe about there being more Cornell than Yale fans. If Yale announced more than 2,000, it's a typo. (Officially, they announced 3,180.)

Ingalls Rink still unbearably noisy, still very attractive relative to Lynah, and of the same age. Yale, remember, used Eero Saarinen; we used Ralph Quonset, I think. And yes, Mark, it is almost as big as the old Lynah at 3486 stated capacity.[/quote]

As much as I enjoyed the game, it just didn't seem the same without the pep band there and with a half-empty rink. The Cornell fans were well-represented, but did little in the way of organized cheering without the pep band to lead us on. Not having the pep band there really made me appreciate how much they add to the games, both home and away! I especially  missed singing the alma mater between the second and third periods.

[BCrespi]

[quote crodger1][quote billhoward]Also: There was nobody home at the game. No Yale fans. Hardly any Cornell fans. (But still more Cornell fans than Yale, or so it seemed.) The "Red!" shout during the anthem was the most raggedy-assed Cornell cheer in years. No Cornell pep band. It was nice hearing the Yalies in our section gripe about there being more Cornell than Yale fans. If Yale announced more than 2,000, it's a typo. (Officially, they announced 3,180.)
[/quote]

I ran into a guy after the game (coming into the rink to play an IM game) who was a season ticket holder for Yale hockey until this season.  I mentioned that there wasn't a big Yale crowd and he seemed to think that part of the reason was that there's a nice new facility with easy parking and a somewhat higher ranked hockey team in the nearby hamlet of Hamden that's been drawing away some of the "townie" crowd.  It might also have helped that the team that this new rink was built for played a fair portion of a season in the Whale while their rink was under construction, possibly winning over some fans (if I'm remembering correctly).

For more, see the other thread about how great the Deer Ticks' new rink is: http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,119877,119877#msg-119877[/quote]

Just back from the weekend.  You're definitely right about Q stealing some of the Yale crowd when both are home.  The nice couple who bought my two extra seats said they made a last-minute decision to come to Yale instead of Q for various reasons.  They'll often split a weekend between the two schools, if both are home, while they used to be Yale season subscribers.

Re: the power play, I think M Devin's shot from the point is one of the best we've seen in years, so that will definitely help.  I thought when Topher was on the ice they did a better job of working the puck low and having a multi-dimensional unit.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote dbilmes]
As much as I enjoyed the game, it just didn't seem the same without the pep band there and with a half-empty rink.----Not having the pep band there really made me appreciate how much they add to the games, both home and away![/quote]

Of course we could all show them how much we appreciate them, and help them getting to away games, by a nice donation to the Cornell Fund, addressed to the Pep Band. $10 is good $50 is better. They do a lot for us.::help::

[Beeeej]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote dbilmes]
As much as I enjoyed the game, it just didn't seem the same without the pep band there and with a half-empty rink.----Not having the pep band there really made me appreciate how much they add to the games, both home and away![/quote]

Of course we could all show them how much we appreciate them, and help them getting to away games, by a nice donation to the Cornell Fund, addressed to the Pep Band. $10 is good $50 is better. They do a lot for us.::help::[/quote]

I certainly don't mean to discourage donations... But in cases like this weekend, I don't believe it would have helped.  Almost without exception, pep bandies are also marching bandies, and they had a home football game this weekend.  There's almost always an away hockey weekend in the fall with no pep band for this very reason - and more money would be great for the pep band, but could not be used to buy more bandies.

[Rosey]

[quote Beeeej]I certainly don't mean to discourage donations... But in cases like this weekend, I don't believe it would have helped.[/quote]
I agree, but I think that's too bad: can't the marching band spare (say) 10 bandies for hockey when there's a conflict?  We don't need a complete band, just a few people to play Davy et al.

Kyle