MLax: Cornell 16 @ Syracuse 15 (FINAL)

Robb · April 10, 2007, 11:39:02 PM

[quote Jim Hyla]Well, to my view, the winning goal was questionable at best. Siebald beat their best defenseman, but definately went airborne. He had a slight stick check from behind when he was in the air. At no time was he in the crease, so that's not a point. However this rule eliminates the Air Gate type of goal and I think you could make a good case to disallow it.::worry::[/quote]

Which part of that rule disallows a goal if the player never goes in the crease? If a guy's 40 feet away from the crease and jumps in the air while shooting, that's not a goal???

That's not how I read the rule.

David Harding · April 10, 2007, 11:47:53 PM

[quote Jim Hyla]Well, to my view, the winning goal was questionable at best. Siebald beat their best defenseman, but definately went airborne. He had a slight stick check from behind when he was in the air. At no time was he in the crease, so that's not a point. However this rule eliminates the Air Gate type of goal and I think you could make a good case to disallow it.::worry::[/quote]

[q]A.R. 90. A1 dives or jumps through the air space of the crease with the potential to land outside the crease. (1) The ball goes in the goal; or (2) The goalkeeper contacts A1 while he is in the air. RULING: (1) Goal counts. (2) No goal. Award ball to defensive team.
[/q] This sounds to me as though it is explicity allowing an Air Gait type of goal.

DeltaOne81 · April 10, 2007, 11:55:54 PM

[quote Jim Hyla]Well, to my view, the winning goal was questionable at best. Siebald beat their best defenseman, but definately went airborne. He had a slight stick check from behind when he was in the air. At no time was he in the crease, so that's not a point. However this rule eliminates the Air Gate type of goal and I think you could make a good case to disallow it.::worry::[/quote]

From my reading of the rule, what you can no longer do is jump with the intent/obviously result of landing in the crease, but put the ball in the net before you hit the ground. Thats what the Gait boys did.

Look at this (although here the try didn't work):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZAxyYUzws

Also here (but not the first goal in the clip, the next few though):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob6Fg8vjM-o
The one starting at the 2 minute mark is also a good example of a jumping-with-the-intent-to-land-in-the-crease goal.

In those cases, they were going to land in the crease all along, but its good when the ball goes in first.

The new rules do not prevent you from jumping *over* the crease and scoring, it just doesn't allow it to be a goal if you jumped *into* the crease.

QuoteA.R. 90. A1 dives or jumps through the air space of the crease with the potential to land outside the crease. (1) The ball goes in the goal; or (2) The goalkeeper contacts A1 while he is in the air. RULING: (1) Goal counts. (2) No goal. Award ball to defensive team.

My only question is what 'potential to land outside the crease' means. Does it mean you must land outside the crease (unless checked while in the air), or does it mean you must get close? Either way, it doesn't seem to matter here and it looks from all angles that Seibald cleared the crease.

DeltaOne81 · April 10, 2007, 11:58:57 PM

[quote David Harding]
[q]A.R. 90. A1 dives or jumps through the air space of the crease with the potential to land outside the crease. (1) The ball goes in the goal; or (2) The goalkeeper contacts A1 while he is in the air. RULING: (1) Goal counts. (2) No goal. Award ball to defensive team.
[/q] This sounds to me as though it is explicity allowing an Air Gait type of goal.[/quote]

Just to repeat myself (I know I posted my last post after you posted yours), no. In an Air Gait goal, there was absolutely no potential to land outside the crease. It was only good because the ball went in before gravity finished its job. That is what is now specifically now allowed.

JasonN95 · April 11, 2007, 12:03:53 AM

[quote Jim Hyla]Well, to my view, the winning goal was questionable at best. [/quote]

Nothing questionable that I could see. I just watched it again on Tivo and Max lept before entering the crease, was illegally pushed in the back, and, despite that, he landed fully outside the crease. Goal is good.

Game was never in doubt. (I think I'll go to the bathroom and throw up now.)

Jim Hyla · April 11, 2007, 12:06:48 AM

You guys are right. I thought about this as I was going to sleep and realized the Air Gait rule only applies if you land in the crease, and he never was in. I thought about it on the way home and was on SU's side, but I guess it shows the value of sleeping on it. Now back to bed, for other wonderful thoughts, and to wait and see what's written about it in the papers. Coluccini obviously thought it was no goal as he broke his stick after the game and got a 1 minute penalty at the end.

KenP · April 11, 2007, 07:39:59 AM

Game summary on lax.com -- http://www.lax.com/stories/1811

Swampy · April 11, 2007, 08:52:23 AM

Seibald's goal was #1 Top Play of the Day on Sports Center this morning.::banana::

Edit: Whoops. Sorry, someone beat me to it.

DeltaOne81 · April 11, 2007, 09:25:33 AM

Local media:
http://cornellsun.com/node/22794

http://ithacajournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070411/SPORTS/704110339/1006

Quote"We also had a play where we were going to use a backside feed with Eric Pittard, and then when they called the timeout, to be very honest with you, Max came to me in the huddle and said, 'Coach I can get underneath,'" Tambroni said. "And I said, 'If you can get underneath, you go.' To his credit, he got underneath and hit a shot that he had missed a couple minutes earlier."

(also mentioned in the Sun article, but the quote is more complete in the Journal)

schoaff · April 11, 2007, 11:03:55 AM

Winning goal (as well as some nice saves by Syracuse keeper) was play of the day on ESPN this morning.

ebilmes · April 11, 2007, 04:18:58 PM

[quote schoaff]Winning goal (as well as some nice saves by Syracuse keeper) was play of the day on ESPN this morning.[/quote]

You can never announce this too many times.

KP '06 · April 11, 2007, 04:28:55 PM

Not sure if this was mentioned elsewhere, but the game is being replayed several times on Time Warner 26: ::rock::

http://web.twcny.com/twsports/index.cfm?action=show&showID=123
04-11-2007 5:00 PM     Men's Lacrosse : Cornell at Syracuse Replay
04-12-2007 7:30 PM    Men's Lacrosse : Cornell at Syracuse Replay
04-13-2007 3:00 PM    Men's Lacrosse : Cornell at Syracuse Replay
04-15-2007 10:30 AM    Men's Lacrosse : Cornell at Syracuse Replay

MINIteam8s · April 11, 2007, 08:25:56 PM

And a second Sun article w more quotes and game details...

http://cornelldailysun.com/node/22791

scoop85 · April 11, 2007, 10:40:50 PM

[quote MINIteam8s]And a second Sun article w more quotes and game details...

http://cornelldailysun.com/node/22791[/quote]

One of the better written articles that I've seen in the Sun in quite a while.

CUlater 89 · April 12, 2007, 09:35:16 AM

[quote scoop85][quote MINIteam8s]And a second Sun article w more quotes and game details...

http://cornelldailysun.com/node/22791[/quote]

One of the better written articles that I've seen in the Sun in quite a while.[/quote]

Definitely.