Cornell Goaltenders

ugarte · February 28, 2007, 06:23:35 PM

[quote RichH]I think this season has made me want to find the Hobey nay-sayers over the last four years and ask them again if they really think it was "The System" with both '03 LeNeveu and '05 McKee.[/quote]
I don't even know if this is a fair criticism of the naysayers. (NB: LeNeveu is God. God is in the AHL.) Not only did we lose an elite goalie last year, we lost an elite blueline. I suspect that The System is still helping out our goalies, if not as obviously.

Cactus12 · February 28, 2007, 07:01:38 PM

You're not more observant (I'll take my chances being rude)...

As RichH said, there is no more enthusiasm for either of the two goalies.

calgARI '07 · February 28, 2007, 07:59:52 PM

[quote RichH]

I think this season has made me want to find the Hobey nay-sayers over the last four years and ask them again if they really think it was "The System" with both '03 LeNeveu and '05 McKee.[/quote]

Cornell's 06-07 Defense: Seminoff, Krantz, Glover, Davenport, Krueger, Nash, Salmela, McLeod, Hedge

Cornell's 04-05 Defense: Cook, Downs, O'Byrne, Gleed, Pokulok, Glover, Krantz, Salmela

Cornell's 02-03 Defense: Murray, McRae, Wallace, Bell, Cook, Downs, Gleed

Compare this season's defense to those years and it is not even close. That is to say nothing of how much more experience those teams had up front and how much better those forward groups were defensively. With this year's team, we would have had a very good chance to see how good McKee or LeNeveu would have and could have been.

MINIteam8s · February 28, 2007, 09:21:45 PM

[quote WillCMJr]The crowd does give Scrivens a more enthusiastic introduction. And when they win and he's leaving the ice they give him a rousing 'Scrivens, Scrivens,..."[/quote]

This was most noticeable when we finally scored the first win in January. The win got the monkey off our back...only L or T since December win vs. UNH and Coach got his winningest record. It was an acknowledgement from a relieved Faithful for a job finally accomplished.

[quote RichH][quote WillCMJr]The crowd definitely shows more support for Scrivens, we need them as loud as they can get. Him getting the start will pump them up![/quote]

Now you're just making things up. No way Lynah is louder or more supportive for one goalie or the other. Volume depends on the level of opponent hatred, excitement of the game, and the way CU is playing (and if school is in session).[/quote]

Agree - I haven't sensed (or heard) Faithful harbor ill-feelings when either goalie is announced on game night.

Debating this topic on the forum, however, is a good way to pass the time between games!

hockeydude · February 28, 2007, 09:29:01 PM

Sorry if the response seems a little intense for you and maybe some of the other posters on here, but I just stated what my opinion was just like everyone else has done. I am also all about having fun, but when people try to rip on guys based on a lot of garbage (not sure if that is too harsh of a word for you ;-) ) it just gets a little old. It was not directed at all of the posters on this forum, just the select few that constantly say the same baseless claims over and over again. I understand not all people in the world, or on here, are vastly knowledgable about hockey. I just think that if people are going to post things they should atleast learn a little bit about the game or the subject they are posting eventually, instead of just posting the same thing they have been since the beggining of the season.

JohnnieAg'99 · February 28, 2007, 09:35:58 PM

[quote RichH]I think this season has made me want to find the Hobey nay-sayers over the last four years and ask them again if they really think it was "The System" with both '03 LeNeveu and '05 McKee.[/quote] Not to pile on, but this gives the nay-sayers more ammo, not less- we bring in BC-type smurfs as Mike starts trying to learn how to play an open style of hockey and no goalie looks good, versus before with Cornell / "clutch and grab" style hockey and even a guy from TX - or God in the AHL - looks invincible...

Beeeej · February 28, 2007, 10:02:50 PM

[quote hockeydude]Sorry if the response seems a little intense for you and maybe some of the other posters on here, but I just stated what my opinion was just like everyone else has done. I am also all about having fun, but when people try to rip on guys based on a lot of garbage (not sure if that is too harsh of a word for you ;-) ) it just gets a little old. It was not directed at all of the posters on this forum, just the select few that constantly say the same baseless claims over and over again. I understand not all people in the world, or on here, are vastly knowledgable about hockey. I just think that if people are going to post things they should atleast learn a little bit about the game or the subject they are posting eventually, instead of just posting the same thing they have been since the beggining of the season.[/quote]

I'll throw my quick two cents in and say that I didn't think your post was too harsh at all. People around here are very quick to post things they think or hope will sound good because it's important for them to have an opinion or a horse in the race, but often they don't think it through very carefully. Until I ran across your post, this thread was mostly making me roll my eyes a lot. Good for you for speaking your mind and then backing it up intelligently.

That having been said, it's not always necessary for someone else to be an idiot for you to be right. :-)

RichH · February 28, 2007, 10:54:48 PM

[quote JohnnieAg'99]Not to pile on[/quote]

No, go ahead an pile on, if I deserve it. I thought about it after posting, and agree with Ari's reply. It was more me viscerally shaking out some cobwebs of bitterness I found back in the corner of my mind. Back to your regularly scheduled bye-week time-wasting.

sah67 · February 28, 2007, 11:51:57 PM

[quote Jim Hyla] Maybe this whole thing is a joke? [/quote]

Yup...I would say it is.

ugarte · February 28, 2007, 11:56:55 PM

[quote RichH][quote JohnnieAg'99]Not to pile on[/quote]

No, go ahead an pile on, if I deserve it. I thought about it after posting, and agree with Ari's reply. It was more me viscerally shaking out some cobwebs of bitterness I found back in the corner of my mind. Back to your regularly scheduled bye-week time-wasting.[/quote]
Jerk.

Omie · March 01, 2007, 02:54:31 AM

I'll accept that including the disallowed goal is probably baseless, however you are making way too many assumptions that if someone does not agree with your opinion they either have not been to the games or don't know enough hockey. I have been to every home game this season and half of the away games including Q, Union, RPI, and Colgate. You seem to blame Davenports bad games on the defense but at some point he has to be held accountable for some of those goals. Yea we won versus Harvard and Davenport kept us in the game but he has also played pretty bad at times and there is no denying that.

You are entitled to your opinion but don't call others ignorant about the game because they disagree with you.

Omie · March 01, 2007, 02:56:22 AM

I would argue that Scrivens has improved positionally (showing potential for growth) and he also seems to be a more acrobatic goalie.

WillCMJr · March 01, 2007, 04:27:13 AM

I think you're right. But, Davenport always looks like he's sulking on the bench. He's not out hanging over the boards giving support to his team. Go DiLeo! lol

WillCMJr · March 01, 2007, 04:28:55 AM

I think there's at least 1000 college kids with that thought process haha

Beeeej · March 01, 2007, 10:14:30 AM

[quote WillCMJr]I think there's at least 1000 college kids with that thought process haha[/quote]

I would be stunned to the point of unconsciousness if there were a thousand Cornell students who even knew that Davenport had left for a year.