Cornell at Clarkson Post-game

[marty]

I'll let Rich S. answer that!  ;-)

[sah67]

Elliot Olshansky reported on his rink rat blog that the freshmen would be back for Yale/Brown this weekend, but didn't provide a direct source for that information.  I'd imagine that the magnitude of the "disciplinary" offense they committed was significant enough that it warranted a benching for a weekend series (albeit an important one), but not enough that Schafer would want to keep some very talented young players off the ice more than is absolutely necessary to preserve his player standards.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote sah67]Elliot Olshansky reported on his rink rat blog that the freshmen would be back for Yale/Brown this weekend, but didn't provide a direct source for that information.[/quote]
I thought I heard Schafer say that in the pre-game interview before the SLU game.  Something about "coach's decision...back next weekend."

[Beeeej]

[quote cth95]Any news on why we didn't have Romano, Nash, Gallagher, and Milo on the trip?  --and if so when they are playing again?  Even though I haven't seen them yet, fron what I have been reading on here their loss must have influenced our lack of scoring.[/quote]

I wouldn't expect ever to have more information than "coach's decision" or "disciplinary decision."  It's none of our business.

[Beeeej]

The point, RichS, is that we aren't stupid, ignorant, forgetful, or so blind to our own fellows' faults that we would not acknowledge that some people at Lynah have been vulgar, rude, etc. over the years, perhaps even as recently as your last visit there.  But the fact that we acknowledge such a thing does not require us to provide a detailed preamble to that effect any time we address what we see as vulgar or rude behavior in other fans.

As much as you may see it as your job to remind us of our fans' behavior whenever we address another schools' fans' behavior, it isn't.  We know it already, and your mentioning it in every single post you've made in this thread was unnecessary every single time.  Nobody claimed that Lynah was better than Cheel before the third or fourth time you suggested that we were pretending Lynah was filled with choirboys.  So your suggestion was knee-jerk, if unsurprising given the past.

[ajec1]

[quote Rich S][quote French Rage]G-O-R-G-E-S.  It's on all the t-shirts.[/quote]

Right...except that it's U-G-L-Y downtown.[/quote]

Says the guy from Jersey (if I remember correctly...)

[Rich S]

[quote ajec1][quote Rich S][quote French Rage]G-O-R-G-E-S.  It's on all the t-shirts.[/quote]

Right...except that it's U-G-L-Y downtown.[/quote]

Says the guy from Jersey (if I remember correctly...)[/quote]

Yes and that's why it's known as the "G-A-R-D-E-N  S-T-A-T-E.  

Also, I'm originally from upstate New York, less than an hour from Ithaca.  And years ago, downtown Ithaca wasn't ugly.  I remember Ithaca  well, having spent many days at Cornell watching football and later at IHS for high school sports including running X-Country races on your campus.

[Rich S]

[quote Al DeFlorio][quote Rich S]Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior.  That's absurd.  I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.  

What is there to "feel better" about?  I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.
[/quote]
You write about the Lynah behavior here ad nauseam, yet I've never seen you say word one on the Round Table about the goings-on at Cheel.  If you "disapprove" of the latter as much as you've tried to lead us to believe in this thread, why is that?[/quote]

Probably because you missed it last year when it was discussed there.

And because it was never that much of a topic at Clarkson because until only the last couple of years, it wasn't nearly the issue at Cheel that it has been for a long time at Lynah.

[Rich S]

Jim,

Yes I'd much prefer a beer...anytime.

And, no the two in bold actually are not contradictory because they came from different sources.

It was my observation, seconded by others, about the behavior at Lynah in the past being no better than at Cheel.  The complaints that the actions no longer tolerated at Lynah were allowed at Cheel came form Cornell folks.

Just because it isn't "tolerated" does not mean it doesn't still happen to some degree; it does imply that those who engage in it are ejected as has been pointed out here often in the past couple of years.

I know for a fact that offenders at Cheel have been tossed in the recent past.  If enforcement last weekend was lax, and prompted complaints from some folks here, that's unfortunate and as I said before, a more effective system is called for.

However, when some of you come on here howling about vulgarities and classless cheers at Clarkson, it rings hollow given that you still have plenty of mess to clean up in your own barn.  I experienced it myself last March and yes, some of the foul "cheers" were organized.

Ugarte for one, said he's fine with the behavior as it doesn't bother him, but otherwise it seems the rest of us agree.

Beej, it's not my job to remind you of your fans' behavior but it certainly is my right just as you see it as yours to make an issue of it at Cheel while you paint behavior at Lynah as far less offensive than it actually is.  One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know that right.

Indeed posters here did refer to behavior at Lynah being better than that at Cheel before I posted on this thread.  And I didn't claim 3 or 4 times that you pretended to have an arena full of choir boys.  Wouldn't that be Yale or Harvard ?

So spare me the lecture complete with specious logic.  It's not surprising given your past.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote Rich S][quote Al DeFlorio][quote Rich S]Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior.  That's absurd.  I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.  

What is there to "feel better" about?  I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.
[/quote]
You write about the Lynah behavior here ad nauseam, yet I've never seen you say word one on the Round Table about the goings-on at Cheel.  If you "disapprove" of the latter as much as you've tried to lead us to believe in this thread, why is that?[/quote]

Probably because you missed it last year when it was discussed there.
[/quote]
Well, I did find a thoughtful essay by Scott Comstock disapproving the behavior of Clarkson students at Cheel.  And several subsequent postings, including one from daredevilcu, expressing strong agreement.  Predictably, not one word from you on the subject.  But I did find innumerable examples of your "kneejerk" cheap shots at Lynah fans in other threads.

http://www.goldenknightshockey.com/roundtable/showthread.php?t=1372

Kudos to Comstock.  And, one more time, the bullshit award to you, Rich.

[Robb]

[quote Rich S]Indeed posters here did refer to behavior at Lynah being better than that at Cheel before I posted on this thread.[/quote]
The behavior at Lynah is better than Cheel.  One thing can be more wrong than another - just because they're both on the side of wrong does not make them equal.

[Beeeej]

[quote Rich S]Beej, it's not my job to remind you of your fans' behavior but it certainly is my right just as you see it as yours to make an issue of it at Cheel while you paint behavior at Lynah as far less offensive than it actually is.[/quote]

Someday I hope to learn what color the sky is in your world.

[Rich S]

If anyone would know bullshit Al, it's you.  You've been resorting to it for years trashing Clarkson University's academics, its hockey program, players, coaches, and fans.  Suggest you look in the mirror the next time you hand out that precious award.

Stating my opinions based on how I was treated in your arena and what I heard, as recently as last March is hardly a "knee jerk" reaction.  Learn the difference, please.

As for what I post or posted on the Roundtable, I expressed my opinions there long ago about the tasteless behavior at Cheel.  I'm sure you should remember your discourse on the penis model, eh?

Scott and others said all that needed to be said on that post.  I'm not compelled to repeat it when most folks there know how I feel about it from prior threads.  You have apparently conveniently forgotten it.    

If this is so important to you, why don't you post some of your seemingly unlimited anti-Clarkson vitriol there?  We miss it since you stopped.  :-|

[Rich S]

[quote Beeeej][quote Rich S]Beej, it's not my job to remind you of your fans' behavior but it certainly is my right just as you see it as yours to make an issue of it at Cheel while you paint behavior at Lynah as far less offensive than it actually is.[/quote]

Someday I hope to learn what color the sky is in your world.[/quote]

It's obviously carnellian in yours.

[ugarte]

[quote Rich S]
Stating my opinions based on how I was treated in your arena and what I heard, as recently as last March is hardly a "knee jerk" reaction.  Learn the difference, please.[/quote]Stating the same reactions to the same behavior on every single post is knee jerk.


"Looks like someone said something about Clarkson. Better mention March again. And since someone made a joke about Mark Morris bludgeoning his players I guess I should point out that Schafer yells. And since someone made a joke about Potsdam being boring, I better note that Ithaca isn't a cultural metropolis. And dammit, someone said that they didn't apply to Clarkson, so I'd better note that not only did I apply to Clarkson, it was my first choice!"

Your knee jerks so much it is a wonder that you manage to walk.