Cornell at Clarkson Post-game

[Dpperk29]

[quote JasonN95][quote Rich S]Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.[/quote]

Bull. That cellphone video had more offensive behavior than I've seen from a Cornell crowd in a long, long time.  Until this season I have typically sat in Section O (that's what the ticket office would have for sale) for several games putting me right across from the Cornell students and among the opposing fans and I never saw or heard anything like what was on that video.  As for attacks at fans, the only organized cheers directed at the opposing fans are "Section O Sucks" and the occasional wardrobe insult.  This season I've been at most home games and although my seats don't allow me to hear the Cornell student section as well, I'm sure there has been any organized cheer like that S H ! T chant at Lynah while I've been in attendance.[/quote]

"Fuck em up, Fuck em up, Go CU!" and "Cya Asshole, you goon" are both more offensive than SHIT spells IVY. Those chants are organized and led by YOUR BAND. [ I know our band does "the price is wrong bitch, I hate that one too]

[ftyuv]

I think the answer to "S-H-I-T that spells Ivy" could be something like "G-O-O-N that spells Clarkson."  It's funny cause it's true!

[KP '06]

[quote Dpperk29]"Fuck em up, Fuck em up, Go CU!" and "Cya Asshole, you goon" are both more offensive than SHIT spells IVY. Those chants are organized and led by YOUR BAND. [ I know our band does "the price is wrong bitch, I hate that one too][/quote]

The Cornell band does not swear at games, even to the point that the administration doesn't let us say the word "suck." We say "Rough 'em up" and "Ahhh see ya, you goon," and what the rest of the crowd does is up to them.

[daredevilcu]

The commies cheer I thought was hilarious, although all I caught was "commies."  I didn't hear what else went with it.  As for bonesaw, it has no real purpose besides giving the student section something to rally around other than the band, which I like a lot.  Whatever drums up excitement and enthusiasm at games is fine with me, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

[CowbellGuy]

For the record, the full cheer was "Pinko Commies."

[RichH]

[quote Dpperk29][quote Ben Rocky 04]Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking.  Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?[/quote]

I ask that question every week... no one seems to know the answer. but it is a group of hockey fans... they come to games, they cheer... so I am not complaining[/quote]

Wasn't Bonesaw the name of "Macho Man" Randy Savage's wrestling character in the first "Spiderman" movie?

[CowbellGuy]

More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

http://www.elynah.com/media/misc/clk.mov

[RichH]

I'll echo Beeeej's and Drew's compliments of the overall friendly discourse for this round.  (and my amusement at RichS's insistance of the "I know you are..." playground logic).  It's a good rivalry, and I think we've made some good friends on the other side.  While the passions do get riled with each others' digs, I really like the fact that Drew, daredevilcu, that "traitor" ;-) Dpperk29, et. al. continue to stop by and contribute to the discussion.

Let me preface my remarks by saying I don't get offended by much of anything.  Probably the only thing that would cross the line for me would be something similar to making Travis Roy jokes at BU.  But anything others consider to be a "swear word," I really don't care about and don't understand why others get upset about them.  Granted, I don't have children to "protect," so while I feel that words are just words, they're out there in society and I understand a lot of people are offended by them.  As a result, out of respect for others, I don't use them except in extreme situations.

"S-H-I-T, that spells IVY" has been around at Clarkson-Cornell games since at least 1992 when I was a freshmen.  And it was used in Lynah Rink (as well as Cheel) by the Clarkson section almost every year, and in varying numbers.  Usually it was just part of the great back-and-forth chant battles that happen between Section B and Section O.  Nobody really blinked an eye for all those years.

Successful teams in traditional spectator sports bring out idiot fans.  No matter what the sport, and almost everywhere.  From BC and Minnesota to even Harvard and Union.  (OK, I guess you don't have to even be successful).  Online boards like this and the Roundtable attract the most fervent fans who generally aren't like the stereotypical douchebag most associated with being a student fan at Starr Arena...yet still a small percentage of the people going to games.  Everyone's got 'em, some more than others.  A single guy flipping the bird or lobbing an f-bomb, or a few humorous chants aren't reason to blanket an entire fan base.

My main point:
I think the reason for the raising objections to stuff observed at Cheel this weekend is more due to the Cornell fans' frustrations at the most recent crackdown at Lynah.  People are getting season tickets revoked for not even saying what they are accused to have said, if the earlier threads are to be believed.  The underlying message that is trying to get drilled into the heads of the Cornell student is that "you can't say that here...sez so in the NCAA book."  Then we go to other rinks and see the same behavior and nothing being done.  Almost a "hey, if we can't do that, why can they get away with it?" reaction.  

daredevilcu: great insight on the ushers.  I hadn't thought of them being students not wanting to be seen as the narc.

RichS: Jim never painted Lynah as choir boys.  Others on this thread eventually went there, but not Jim.

JasonN95: I beg to differ.  Even this year, there's plenty of blue material in at least D & E.  Maybe not as organized as A&B have been in the past, but it's still there.

Anyway, sounded like a fun game to watch.  I wish I could've been there.  Great to hear that Cheel is buzzing again and that the North Country teams are back to being more than formidable, as infuriating as that is to say.  :-)

[Rich S]

[quote JDeafv][quote Rich S]Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.[/quote]

From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.  

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.[/quote]

For the record, the supposed "cheers" that I clearly heard fom your Section O directed at Clarkson's Dustin Traylen more than once a few years ago make the above profanities seem tame.  One lynah jerk even came around to yell it from Section O.

[JDeafv]

[quote CowbellGuy]More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

http://www.elynah.com/media/misc/clk.mov[/quote]

I *think* you can see Clarkson rink staff watching this episode, which clearly supports daredevil's statements regarding the fear of the ushers to enforce the stated policies.  

However, it's possible those people standing in the back are just other fans.

[KeithK]

[quote JDeafv][From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.[/quote]Maybe it's the fact that I'm reading this 2 days later and three thousand miles away instead of hearing it, but I think that's frickin' hilarious.  It's so over the top ridiculous that it's funny.

[French Rage]

[quote ftyuv]I think the answer to "S-H-I-T that spells Ivy" could be something like "G-O-O-N that spells Clarkson."  It's funny cause it's true!

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"S-H-I-T, that spells Potsdam!"

[French Rage]

[quote CowbellGuy]More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

http://www.elynah.com/media/misc/clk.mov[/quote]

Be nice, he just learned a new hand gesture.  And that's their valedictorian you're mocking there.

[Rich S]

Rich,

I don't know why you refer to my pointing out the historically poor behavior at Lynah, including many profanity-laced "premeditated cheers" directed at visting fans and players, as "playground logic."

It's perfectly logical to remind posters here of that when they get on their high horse to rail against offensive behavior at Cheel.  Seems that some of you have forgotten just how vulgar many of the faithful have been although as I said earlier, it has gotten somewhat better in recent years in my experience.

And the "choir boy" reference wasn't directed specifically at Jim, rather it was a general comment.  I thought the intent was clear.

Regarding your main point of the objections here, I echo what Drew said earlier.  If anyone is ticked off that your rink no longer lets you get away with the nonsense that goes on in other rinks, then complain to your AD.  I see plenty of folks doing that here on a regular basis on other issues.  :-}

Lastly, Jason, it's not a question of my embaressment regarding whether or not the behavior at Cheel is worse than at Lynah.  Perhaps you missed my earlier comment that I don't approve of the sort of behavior that apparently occured on Saturday.  I don't see the point in debating which fans are guilty of worse antics.  The point is that it's all tasteless, a demonstration of a lack of sportsmanship, and needs to stop.

If I've been "going after" cornell fans for a long time, it's because they set the standard at least in the East, for vulgar behavior years ago and the attention to it was warranted just as it is when it has more recently taken place at Cheel.

[Rich S]

Interesting...how do cornellians spell "Ithaca"?  :-|