Cornell at Clarkson Post-game

[Jim Hyla]

Rich,

I think what we, at least I, perceive as the difference is that if our students ever started cheers like I mentioned, there would be hell to pay. Yet, I saw nothing happenning to stop it. I'll only believe it when I see it. Over the years Lynah has gotten cleaner while Cheel has gotten worse. This game was the worst that I can remember. The S H I T cheer was so widespread that I have to believe it was premeditated (take that Beeeej).

The university needs to take a strong stand, otherwise you will turn out to be Colgate2, and I'd hate to see that. Clarkson has always been my most favorite place away from home. It's far better than Harvard, for although that rivalry is intense, it's only intense for both teams and the Cornell fans. The Harvard fans (?) only come because we're there, not because they really care about their team. The Clarkson fans care about their team and actually know something about them as well. That's what makes it fun, it's always been that way and I'd like it to always stay that way. However if it degenerates any further, well, I'd rather not see that.

[JDeafv]

[quote Section A Banshee][quote JDeafv][quote daredevilcu]... but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of. [/quote]

No, it's really not.  The shallow bowl of the Cheel seats makes it very easy to identify specific individuals who are yelling f&*k you and giving the finger to the players and referees, nevermind the *occasional* ones towards the opposing fans.  See 20 seconds into the video below.[/quote]
Isn't it more the point that it shouldn't be the Clarkson band's job to police the behavior of other spectators?  [/quote]

Sorry, I took "us" to be the Clarkson admin, because (as the video shows) it is easy to identify single people who exhibit offensive behavior.

[cth95]

I was at both games this weekend. Cornell had far more energy last night than against SLU(t) or Sacred Heart. They might not have been as organized as some of us are used to with our previous,experienced teams, but if they play with energy like last night I think they can win a lot of games. We will just have to hope the teamwork comes with time.

The atmosphere last night was about as good as I have seen in an away rink. That being said, I am far from conservative as far as cheers go, but I was really disappointed with the Clarkson students last night. Not only were individuals yelling f*ck this and that, and asking for "midget blood", but there were many organized cheers that wouldn't be allowed in most rinks. Many of these cheers didn't even make much sense.

"S.H.I.T spells ivy" as Jim said, "The price is wrong, B*itch" when we were denied on the powerplay, "...and Cornell still sucks d*ck" after the 1-minute marks, "bloody tampon, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap". I give them credit for their unity and enthusiasm, but these cheers seem a bit much too me (not to mention pretty dumb).

Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.  ::rolleyes::

[cth95]

[quote cth95]
Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.  ::rolleyes::[/quote]

[quote jim hyla]I honestly think they were trying to be funny with this one.  ::thud::[/quote]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.  I did consider that idea,

[Rich S]

Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

[Rich S]

[quote Jim Hyla]Rich,

I think what we, at least I, perceive as the difference is that if our students ever started cheers like I mentioned, there would be hell to pay. Yet, I saw nothing happenning to stop it. I'll only believe it when I see it. Over the years Lynah has gotten cleaner while Cheel has gotten worse. This game was the worst that I can remember. The S H I T cheer was so widespread that I have to believe it was premeditated (take that Beeeej).
[/quote]
 
Agreed that a stronger stand has to be taken.  The trend has to be reversed if it's gotten this bad.

From what I have been told and have heard, the presence of Cornell at Cheel brings out the worst in those Clarkson fans who cross the line.  That's not an excuse but you can take it as a compliment given recent results between the teams, as mentioned previously.

I think "premeditated" definitely describes what I heard at Lynah last March, so again, lets be fair and balanced about this.  Seems to me we're both living in glass houses.  

Yeah, Lynah has gotten better (largely due to Schafer's actions, right?) because when I was there in '97 after an almost unthinkable 25 year absence, it was intolerable.  The vulgarities hurled at Section O as well as at the Clarkson players and coaches were far worse than anything I've heard elsewhere.

Let's hope that passionate quality hockey is the focus of future meetings, not, for example, a kid who's been gone from the team for a few years now, or any Ivy putdown.

[JDeafv]

[quote Rich S]Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.[/quote]

From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.  

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.

[cth95]

[quote JDeafv
From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.  

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.[/quote]

I didn't catch the exact names, but I heard that one, too.  Not very cool.  My mother goes to a lot of the Clarkson games and used to go in the late 60's early 70's when she went to SUNY Potsdam.  She was pretty shocked at the comments last night.  She knows the president fairly well and is planning on mentioning this to him.

[daredevilcu]

"bloody tampon, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap"

Probably a reference to "big red."  That said, I hated it, pretty bad taste.

Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.  ::rolleyes::

I hate when they do that.

[Drew]

[quote JDeafv]Drew or any other clarkson folks - Has there been any attempt to curtail the offensive and abusive language and behavior at Cheel?  It seems to actually be worse than the last time I was there.

The f*&k you, and finger all night from the students got old very quick.  I enjoyed the intensity and passion displayed by some students, and they even had a few creative cheers and jeers, but not the repetitive expletives.  

Given the crack-down at Lynah, it seems nobody cares in Potsdam.[/quote]

Edit:  I don't want to start a flame fest. Disregard.
Cheers!
Drew

[Beeeej]

I have to say, I was a little nervous when I opened this thread late tonight and saw the copious Clarkson usernames amidst the thirty-plus new posts, but I was very pleased to see calm, rational, friendly give-and-take about last night's game atmosphere and what is and isn't appropriate in our rinks.  I also have to admit smiling at the fact that all half dozen of RichS's posts managed to sneak in a "mote in my eye, plank in yours" comment, as if each one wasn't enough without the next - I would expect nothing less, and I mean that with humor and respect.  :-)  It's good to see Clarkson on an ascendancy, and I hope you continue to succeed at hockey in every way possible except on Cornell's back.

[JasonN95]

[quote Rich S]Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.[/quote]

Bull. That cellphone video had more offensive behavior than I've seen from a Cornell crowd in a long, long time.  Until this season I have typically sat in Section O (that's what the ticket office would have for sale) for several games putting me right across from the Cornell students and among the opposing fans and I never saw or heard anything like what was on that video.  As for attacks at fans, the only organized cheers directed at the opposing fans are "Section O Sucks" and the occasional wardrobe insult.  This season I've been at most home games and although my seats don't allow me to hear the Cornell student section as well, I'm sure there has been any organized cheer like that S H ! T chant at Lynah while I've been in attendance.

Rich, you've been going after Cornell fans for a long time. Frankly, I think you're embarrassed to admit that your own fans are worse.

[Ben Rocky '04]

Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking.  Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?

[cth95]

[quote daredevilcu]

Probably a reference to "big red."  That said, I hated it, pretty bad taste. [/quote]

The reference is obvious on this one.  I just think it is over the line.  For example, when somebody called us Commies or something like that, I thought it was fine.

[Dpperk29]

[quote Ben Rocky 04]Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking.  Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?[/quote]

I ask that question every week... no one seems to know the answer. but it is a group of hockey fans... they come to games, they cheer... so I am not complaining