We want more.....

[Rich S]

Hopefully they're still in NJ at least.  But ya never know.  They could have fallen into the garbage and who knows where that winds up!

[jtwcornell91]

[quote Trotsky][quote Hy Potenuse]Thanks. We were pretty loud with it. By the way, I really like the emphasis on RED in The Star Spangled Banner. When did that start?[/quote]

We certainly were not doing it when I was a student (through 1986).  I don't think we were doing it at the 1990 QF against Harvard.  So, sometime just after that, IINM.  I would guess '91 or '92.[/quote]

I remember it happening at football games when I was a student (1987-1991).  But it was far from universal.  I only started after I noticed the band did it at an away game.

[ugarte]

[quote Trotsky][quote Hy Potenuse]Thanks. We were pretty loud with it. By the way, I really like the emphasis on RED in The Star Spangled Banner. When did that start?[/quote]

We certainly were not doing it when I was a student (through 1986).  I don't think we were doing it at the 1990 QF against Harvard.  So, sometime just after that, IINM.  I would guess '91 or '92.[/quote]I arrived in January 1990. It was already established when I started going to games that semester.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

[quote Beeeej][quote RedAR]Another change has been the number of "sieves" shouted has been established at 7.[/quote]

Only to the extent that most people, rather than chanting an eighth "sieve," are taking a much-needed breath in anticipation of four "It's all your fault"s.  You can still hear a few people doing an eighth "sieve."[/quote]

I still get an 8th "sieve" in, grab a breath, and keep going.  I had no idea that it was "established" as 7.  And I do wish it was slower, too.

I can narrow the "RED!" cheer during the anthem to having started sometime after the '85 ECAC tournament.  I remember hearing it the first time at the '96 tournament.  Same for the "See ya!" cheer.

[RichH]

[quote Jeff Hopkins '82]I can narrow the "RED!" cheer during the anthem to having started sometime after the '85 ECAC tournament.  I remember hearing it the first time at the '96 tournament.  Same for the "See ya!" cheer.[/quote]

I believe "See ya!" was the only thing we got out of the '91 NCAA series at Michigan (when they got most of our stuff).  Word has it that they did it for foul-outs in basketball and adapted it for penalties in hockey.

The Anthem "RED!" was mentioned in the spiral-bound orientation book that Cornell put out my freshman year in 1992.

[BCrespi]

[quote Rich S]Hopefully they're still in NJ at least.  But ya never know.  They could have fallen into the garbage and who knows where that winds up![/quote]

If they're in the garbage then they're definitely in New Jersey.

Too easy.

[Liz '05]

[quote Rich S]Hopefully they're still in NJ at least.  But ya never know.  They could have fallen into the garbage and who knows where that winds up![/quote]

New Jersey.  ;-)

[Rich S]

[quote Liz '05][quote Rich S]Hopefully they're still in NJ at least.  But ya never know.  They could have fallen into the garbage and who knows where that winds up![/quote]

New Jersey.  ;-)[/quote]

Not THAT easy guys.

NJ actually ships a lot of garbage out of state.  As far away as Utah and Idaho.

There's money to be made in garbage.  If you watch the "Sopranos", an NJ show all the way, you'd know that!

:-D

[BMac]

As a side note, someone mentioned this "slow sieve cheer" last year, and we in section A did let a few go last year.... to very good effects. We've been looking for a reason to do so this season, but not many have presented themselves. :-/

[jtwcornell91]

[quote BMac]As a side note, someone mentioned this "slow sieve cheer" last year, and we in section A did let a few go last year.... to very good effects. We've been looking for a reason to do so this season, but not many have presented themselves. :-/[/quote]

Get the people who do the black hole cheer when we're getting shut out to help you. ::rolleyes::

[HeafDog]

It's definitely eight "sieve"s and four IAYFs. No question about it. From western cultures' tendencies towards multiples of four in our music, you just sing things in multiples of four, and it just somehow feels right that way. Try, on the other hand, shouting it seven times, and you'll see what I mean.  Feels wierd.

[RichH]

[quote HeafDog]It's definitely eight "sieve"s and four IAYFs. No question about it. From western cultures' tendencies towards multiples of four in our music, you just sing things in multiples of four, and it just somehow feels right that way. Try, on the other hand, shouting it seven times, and you'll see what I mean.  Feels wierd.[/quote]

I'm quite certain the most common incarnation has evolved to be seven Sieves, skip a beat, and then go into four IAYFs.

The interesting thing is that on our roadtrip to Yost for the Jan. 1997 game, I remember mocking Michigan fans for being so robotic in doing just that...a set number of sieves and IAYFs.  In the mid-90s at least, the cheer at Lynah was much less structured...after the goal count off and WWM, you would sieve for an indeterminate number of times until it died out, and then IAYF would slowly get organized.  In a way, the current method is good because it gets maximum volume immediately, and is more intimidating.  On the other hand, the old indeterminite way was much more visceral and emotional...less robotic and procedural.

At the very least, I'm quite glad we don't start it the hokey way they do at Yost.  They wait until after the goal announcement, the band prompts it by shouting "READY!!!" and then they begin the count.  Also, they've changed WWM to a very fru-fru "We want........mmmmmooooooOOOOORRREEEEE GOALS!!!"

As with everything at Lynah, it's definitely much faster than it used to be...I think because we now keep the tempo of Davy.  Kids these days...what with their fast chanting and their iPods and blogs.  And get off my lawn.  *shakes fist*

[Beeeej]

[quote RichH][quote HeafDog]It's definitely eight "sieve"s and four IAYFs. No question about it.[/quote]

I'm quite certain the most common incarnation has evolved to be seven Sieves, skip a beat, and then go into four IAYFs.[/quote]

Where you're sitting, you're not hearing an eighth "sieve."  Where HeafDog and I are sitting, we're hearing some people do an eighth "sieve."  Seems a pretty silly thing to bother arguing about.

Looking forward to eight "sieve"s, four "it's all your fault"s, and eleven "fire Andy"s in the near future.

[Killer]

Maybe we should change IAYF to, "It's Andy's fault! It's Andy's fault! ..."

[oceanst41]

I agree that I'd like to see the set structure loosen up a bit. I mean you could carry on the IAYFs for quite a while for a particularly big/bad goal.

For instance, a breakaway goal in the last 1:30 of a big rivalry game. I'm looking at you McCafferty and Richter :-D