Clarkson fight clip @ eLynah

[Ben Doyle 03]

Josh - There is a cross-checking penalty in lacrosse just as in hockey. I was attempting to describe the use of the upper end of the stick used in a spearing motion or used as an extension of a players fist. It allows a player to throw a punch with out actually using your fist. If you slide you hand down the shaft you'll have a few inches of exposed shaft and that can be used as a weapon. I hope this helps to make what I was trying to say a bit clearer. ;-)

[Adam 04]

I have a few things to add to Ben's comments. I have had too much experience in this area, and coming form the king of cheap hits, crosschecking gets called because it is so obvious; butt-ending usually never gets called because it is either behind the play, or in a scrum for a ground ball. Usually butt-ending is called as unsportsman like conduct, because it carries a heavier penalty. In my experience it never gets called. The retaliation is what the ref usually sees.

[Josh '99]

OK...  sorry, I must've misread your original post, that's why I was confused.

[jy3]

oh wow, didnt see those butt-endings.
better watch it gain
ok, well lemme change my statement here after watching it again. the clarkson players did some stick action and i do not condone that...pretty messy. that puck drop incident looks worse and worse each time.

[jeh25]

Except that in Lacrosse, at least with our old NYS Section 3 refs, you could hit a guy with the buttend of your stick if your glove was on or near the end. This meant you could go to hit a guy with your butt hand, slide your hand up at the last second, poke the guy and then slide your hand back down. This works particularly well for getting past an attackmen's pads and into his ribs.

The more that I think about it, I've also seen clean stick on stick checks with end opposite the head that were not called.

Also, one should be careful about extrapolating rules between hockey and lacrosse. In lacrosse, it isn't a crosscheck if your hands are together on the shaft. My habit of pushing off in this manner cost me plenty of warnings and a few penalties in IM hockey at Cornell.l

[JDeafv]

So I finally had time to view the clips:
One thing to question:  What was the orginal penalty Kotyra was calling?  He wasn't calling the slashing between Cook and O'Flagherty because you can still see him in the camera shot when that is going on.  However, O'Flagherty punches Cook right before the whistle is blown.  That might be the penalty he was calling.

Of course he could have been calling a penalty for cross-checking on Palahicky.

DQ's for Punching go to:
O'Flagherty for the punch against Cook and the "butt-end" shots to Cook and Palahicky later:  Of course the butt-ends really look like "throwing a punch with the hand your stick is in"

Poapst for nailing Paolini

Palahicky:  Three times over

Bahen: The hard right to Palahicky

Good thing Murray staid on the bench even though he was half over jawing with the Clarkson skaters,  Francis is too funny waving goodbye.

[Melissa \'01]

yeah. i know that some people thought that the waving was uncalled for, classless, etc but it was damn funny (at least when watching it on the video).

[Beeeej]

Besides:  There's just been a fight involving several players.  And someone's concerned that waving is classless??

Beeeej

[cbuckser]

Funny story:  While BU was blowing us out on 11/21/95, Tony Bergin waved goodbye to Bob LaChance, who had punched bergin in the face and was getting taken to the BU dressing room for a punching major and game disqualification.  Moments later, the officials sent Bergin to the showers because he also received a punching major and DQ.

[jtwcornell91]

You beat me to the Bergin reference.  I thought he only got a game misconduct for that, but I just checked Kyle's box score at http://www.hockey.cornell.edu/news/PastYears/Box96/bubox.1121 and it's listed there as a DQ.

[RichS]

I was finally able to view the clips a few times.  I see O'Flaherty and Cook going at it against the end boards after they moved behind the goal and it looks like a weak punch or swipe by O'Flaherty.  Can't see well what Cook did but it appears he got his glove into the face of Kevin O.  Cook is lucky he did not also get tossed.

Perhaps its the quality of my video but I can't spot O'Flaherty butt ending...I think he was on the far side of the scrum...I do see him pulling Paolini, I think, away from the scrum near the end.

As for Palahicky, who, as was posted earlier, really escalated things, it looks like he got 3 clear shots in at Poapst, at least one of which was with his hand on the stick to Matt's face.  I think thats as much a "butt end" as anything I can see O'Flaherty did.  Palahicky's third shot dropped Poapst to his knees.  I'd love to know what set him off...he joined the melee from quite a distance.

As I said before, given the severe treatment on "fighting" the NCAA has, I think the aditional punishment for instigating, as Palahicky did in this case, should be more than 2 minutes.

Of course, in this case, the officials may not have been able to tell or decide who the instigator was!