RPI @ Cornell 2/24/17

[Dafatone]

As someone pointed out at some point, our great win% kinda works against us, in that a loss hurts our win% more than a win helps it, due to the math and how fractions work and whatnot.

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.  10th in the pairwise with a lower win% (.600 or so) gives us more room to grow and more ability to weather a loss than 10th in the pairwise with a really high win% (.700+).

This is completely absurd.  All that matters is the tally at the end of the season. Your inability to handle the ups and downs should not be a factor

We've had two years recently where we were the first team out.  Personally, I wouldn't have minded if factors out of our control had resulted in us being the last team in, instead.

[RichH]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Edit: With frequent pausing, I don't think it was a goal. The ref was in good position, I don't see any movement of the net, and Weidner's reaction to jam at the puck after you hear the post ring (instead of starting a celebration, for example) are all signs. I think the light operator was excited to see the puck squeeze through the five-hole.

[Al DeFlorio]

Why is it that most other internet video offering from other schools show replays? We pay for this sub par product so it's the least they could do.

I just move the slider at the bottom of the screen back a bit and watch it again, then click the "Live" button.  Won't work on Roku, but does on computer or tablet.

[upprdeck]

ILDN means you get to have many sports streaming.  it would be pretty trivial to find people to do hockey for free and these days pretty easy to stream it and archive it. you still wouldnt get replay though..  i would think that replay requires more than just a couple people with cameras. i dont know how ildn works but they could have 1-2 people sitting somewhere streaming all the games and insert replays for any goals or plays, but thats more cost overhead.

the advantage of watching on the computer is starting and stopping.

[upprdeck]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Edit: With frequent pausing, I don't think it was a goal. The ref was in good position, I don't see any movement of the net, and Weidner's reaction to jam at the puck after you hear the post ring (instead of starting a celebration, for example) are all signs. I think the light operator was excited to see the puck squeeze through the five-hole.

I doubt they could even tell on the over head replay.. our frame rate is so slow the puck on hard shots moves 2-3 feet in between frames.

[marty]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Edit: With frequent pausing, I don't think it was a goal. The ref was in good position, I don't see any movement of the net, and Weidner's reaction to jam at the puck after you hear the post ring (instead of starting a celebration, for example) are all signs. I think the light operator was excited to see the puck squeeze through the five-hole.

I doubt they could even tell on the over head replay.. our frame rate is so slow the puck on hard shots moves 2-3 feet in between frames.

Why do you think the overhead shot is of poor quality?

[andyw2100]

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Thanks! I was, and am posting from my phone, and hadn't yet looked for the highlights. I didn't know if that play would make the highlights or not. (I had looked last night, but of course the highlights had not been put together yet then.)

I'll watch the play later on a computer. I expect you're right. I guess you see what you want to see!

[upprdeck]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Edit: With frequent pausing, I don't think it was a goal. The ref was in good position, I don't see any movement of the net, and Weidner's reaction to jam at the puck after you hear the post ring (instead of starting a celebration, for example) are all signs. I think the light operator was excited to see the puck squeeze through the five-hole.

I doubt they could even tell on the over head replay.. our frame rate is so slow the puck on hard shots moves 2-3 feet in between frames.

Why do you think the overhead shot is of poor quality?

because it is.. unless its a review of a slow moving shot you cant tell most of the time what happened..

[BearLover]

As someone pointed out at some point, our great win% kinda works against us, in that a loss hurts our win% more than a win helps it, due to the math and how fractions work and whatnot.

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.  10th in the pairwise with a lower win% (.600 or so) gives us more room to grow and more ability to weather a loss than 10th in the pairwise with a really high win% (.700+).

This makes no sense.  The ECAC being worse is priced in to our record.  We'll have a better record when the ECAC is worse and a worse record when it is better.  If you're saying that the net effect of the ECAC being better is positive (that improved SOS more than cancels out weakened win %), then I'd disagree with you for a number of reasons (we've won the ECAC less, we've probably lost out on recruits to other ECAC schools, and more directly relevant we've finished lower in the PWR than we did when the ECAC sucked).  But I don't know if that's what you're saying.

[Dafatone]

As someone pointed out at some point, our great win% kinda works against us, in that a loss hurts our win% more than a win helps it, due to the math and how fractions work and whatnot.

This, if nothing else, is why we want a strong ECAC.  10th in the pairwise with a lower win% (.600 or so) gives us more room to grow and more ability to weather a loss than 10th in the pairwise with a really high win% (.700+).

This makes no sense.  The ECAC being worse is priced in to our record.  We'll have a better record when the ECAC is worse and a worse record when it is better.  If you're saying that the net effect of the ECAC being better is positive (that improved SOS more than cancels out weakened win %), then I'd disagree with you for a number of reasons (we've won the ECAC less, we've probably lost out on recruits to other ECAC schools, and more directly relevant we've finished lower in the PWR than we did when the ECAC sucked).  But I don't know if that's what you're saying.

My point is that I'd rather be 10th in the pairwise with a strong ECAC and a lower win% than 10th in the pairwise with a weak ECAC and a higher win%.  Because with a very high win%, a single loss has a larger impact on win% and therefore RPI.

We're in 10th right now, but drop all the way to 14th with a loss to a really good Union team.  That's kinda weird, and it's a function of a loss hurting your win% more when it's very high.

[Jim Hyla]

On another note, I really would like to see a replay of our no-goal in the second period. I had a good look at it, and was certain that was a goal! I thought it had deflected off the goalie, hit the right post, and then hit the back of the net, fairly high up.

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Edit: With frequent pausing, I don't think it was a goal. The ref was in good position, I don't see any movement of the net, and Weidner's reaction to jam at the puck after you hear the post ring (instead of starting a celebration, for example) are all signs. I think the light operator was excited to see the puck squeeze through the five-hole.

I doubt they could even tell on the over head replay.. our frame rate is so slow the puck on hard shots moves 2-3 feet in between frames.

Why do you think the overhead shot is of poor quality?

because it is.. unless its a review of a slow moving shot you cant tell most of the time what happened..

So you've seen the overhead camera video? How did that happen? Tell us more about what it's like. I'm sure everyone here would be interested.

[upprdeck]

cornell uses a vendor package like most schools do, i dont think the entire league uses the same package but i forget.. its gotten better, allows you to rewind the feed and see feed and clock at the same time.  when the system was specked out one thing we told them was that the cameras  could/should be better.  my discussions though are a bit old since it was more when the system was original installed that i had most of my conversations. its been a few years and the group controlling the software has changed over time.

i dont know if anyone on this board is still part of that group but there were some on here for awhile

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

While the live broadcast doesn't currently feature replays, the "highlights" videos of each game have reliably been good, put on YouTube for easy access, and you don't even need an ILDN subscription.

https://youtu.be/BLgP5FgQpCM

In this case, the camera angle provided doesn't give a good view at all of the no-goal you mentioned.

Thanks! I was, and am posting from my phone, and hadn't yet looked for the highlights. I didn't know if that play would make the highlights or not. (I had looked last night, but of course the highlights had not been put together yet then.)

I'll watch the play later on a computer. I expect you're right. I guess you see what you want to see!

I was sitting right at the goal line in section K.  It went right off the post and back out into the zone.  The red light went on a couple seconds later, so they stopped play for the review.  

No matter what I wanted to see, it was "no goal."  ;-)