Football finale Cornell at Penn - C42-41 final

Started by billhoward, November 23, 2013, 01:58:22 PM

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ugarte

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Quote from: ugarteThis is so insanely wrong.
With Cornell on 3rd and 7 let alone 3rd and 17, that's running a prevent offense. Penn had just shown it could march down field at will. It was worth the shot to get the first down and keep Penn from regaining the offense.

Skip to lacrosse: You shouldn't play a stall offense with a small lead. You absolutely should take an open net shot. Cornell has come to grief / close to grief trying to hold onto the ball especially against Princeton. Even if coaching conventional wisdom says don't-go-to-the-net is the smart play.
35 seconds is not a lot of time for marching. You play a stall offense when you have a touchdown lead and your best friend is the last few sands in the hourglass. Your most likely outcome on a 3d and 17 pass is an incompletion and no time running off the clock. There is so much more that can go wrong than right. Spin it as confidence in the offense or lack thereof in the defense but the best offense shouldn't make that call in that situation even with the worst defense. It was a terrible, terrible decision. When Belicheck went for it to ice the game against Indianapolis it was 4th and 2 not 3d and 17. On 3d and 17 he'd have punted.

This situation couldn't have been less like lacrosse.

Ken711

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Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteThis is so insanely wrong.
With Cornell on 3rd and 7 let alone 3rd and 17, that's running a prevent offense. Penn had just shown it could march down field at will. It was worth the shot to get the first down and keep Penn from regaining the offense.

Skip to lacrosse: You shouldn't play a stall offense with a small lead. You absolutely should take an open net shot. Cornell has come to grief / close to grief trying to hold onto the ball especially against Princeton. Even if coaching conventional wisdom says don't-go-to-the-net is the smart play.
35 seconds is not a lot of time for marching. You play a stall offense when you have a touchdown lead and your best friend is the last few sands in the hourglass. Your most likely outcome on a 3d and 17 pass is an incompletion and no time running off the clock. There is so much more that can go wrong than right. Spin it as confidence in the offense or lack thereof in the defense but the best offense shouldn't make that call in that situation even with the worst defense. It was a terrible, terrible decision. When Belicheck went for it to ice the game against Indianapolis it was 4th and 2 not 3d and 17. On 3d and 17 he'd have punted.

This situation couldn't have been less like lacrosse.

FYI: Tornell Offensive Coordinator Jason Houghtaling has returned to Wagner College where he will be the Associate Head Coach and OC.  Basically a head coach in waiting to take over as HC in 2015 when the current HC and AD just focuses on the AD job.

Jordan 04

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Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteThis is so insanely wrong.
With Cornell on 3rd and 7 let alone 3rd and 17, that's running a prevent offense. Penn had just shown it could march down field at will. It was worth the shot to get the first down and keep Penn from regaining the offense.

Skip to lacrosse: You shouldn't play a stall offense with a small lead. You absolutely should take an open net shot. Cornell has come to grief / close to grief trying to hold onto the ball especially against Princeton. Even if coaching conventional wisdom says don't-go-to-the-net is the smart play.
35 seconds is not a lot of time for marching. You play a stall offense when you have a touchdown lead and your best friend is the last few sands in the hourglass. Your most likely outcome on a 3d and 17 pass is an incompletion and no time running off the clock. There is so much more that can go wrong than right. Spin it as confidence in the offense or lack thereof in the defense but the best offense shouldn't make that call in that situation even with the worst defense. It was a terrible, terrible decision. When Belicheck went for it to ice the game against Indianapolis it was 4th and 2 not 3d and 17. On 3d and 17 he'd have punted.

This situation couldn't have been less like lacrosse.

FYI: Tornell Offensive Coordinator Jason Houghtaling has returned to Wagner College where he will be the Associate Head Coach and OC.  Basically a head coach in waiting to take over as HC in 2015 when the current HC and AD just focuses on the AD job.

Tornell plays in the same league as Brom and Darmoth, yes?

Ken711

Quote from: Jordan 04
Quote from: Ken711
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: billhoward
Quote from: ugarteThis is so insanely wrong.
With Cornell on 3rd and 7 let alone 3rd and 17, that's running a prevent offense. Penn had just shown it could march down field at will. It was worth the shot to get the first down and keep Penn from regaining the offense.

Skip to lacrosse: You shouldn't play a stall offense with a small lead. You absolutely should take an open net shot. Cornell has come to grief / close to grief trying to hold onto the ball especially against Princeton. Even if coaching conventional wisdom says don't-go-to-the-net is the smart play.
35 seconds is not a lot of time for marching. You play a stall offense when you have a touchdown lead and your best friend is the last few sands in the hourglass. Your most likely outcome on a 3d and 17 pass is an incompletion and no time running off the clock. There is so much more that can go wrong than right. Spin it as confidence in the offense or lack thereof in the defense but the best offense shouldn't make that call in that situation even with the worst defense. It was a terrible, terrible decision. When Belicheck went for it to ice the game against Indianapolis it was 4th and 2 not 3d and 17. On 3d and 17 he'd have punted.

This situation couldn't have been less like lacrosse.

FYI: Tornell Offensive Coordinator Jason Houghtaling has returned to Wagner College where he will be the Associate Head Coach and OC.  Basically a head coach in waiting to take over as HC in 2015 when the current HC and AD just focuses on the AD job.

Tornell plays in the same league as Brom and Darmoth, yes?

Tes... opps I mean yes.