Personal Attacks on Players

[Jordan 04]

I don't know where to put this, but since the discussion of loss of the shutouts came up as it relates to Gleed....

I'm not supertitious, but the "Zero Offense!" cheers with 15-30 minutes of hockey left to play have irked me the last 3 games.

[jtwcornell91]

"Hey, Vermont!  It's Saturday night, and you can't--D'OH!!"  ::nut::

[gwm3]

[Q]I didn't want it to be rattling around somewhere in the back of LeNeveu's head the next time he takes the ice, the pressure that he's running out of games and therefore it's even more important that he not screw up and let one past in this game[/Q]


I highly doubt that Lenny is losing much sleep over breaking Dryden's record.  This is not Roger Maris chasing the Babe.  It would obviously be nice for Lenny to do it, but I can't imagine that he feels like he is under tremendous pressure to do so.

[Greg Berge]

He has mentioned it a couple times when interviewed, however.

It is not, AFAIK, the NCAA record.  Didn't either Miller or that hotshot Lake State goalie a few years have an insane number of shut outs in one year (on the order of, say, 10)?

[Jim Hyla]

Chris, please don't feel personally attacked. We have all said something at one time or another that we feel we might have said better or differently. The problem with an internet forum is that it gets put in stone and no one can really see how you are feeling by looking at your facial expression. A picture really does tell alot.

The people who respond with such vigor also have to realize that their statements may be too harsh for the situation and they should always let the person have a way to restate their point in a less inflammatory way.

I agree with you in principle that Gleed's penalty was dumb. In fact I said so on another thread when I was discussing Hornby's fight.[Q]Agree, it was dumb, unless the UVM player had done something very obnoxious that we don't know about.

Gleed's penalty at the end was also dumb. He had the UVM player completely dismantled and just kept going till he had him down on the ice. No need for that at that stage of the game. Considering it led to their only goal, I don't think it will happen again. A learning experience, but Hornby, I don't know. Maybe he has an explanation[/Q]We probably all agree that Gleed will learn from this and be a better player for it. I personally suspect that Coach didn't say anything about it after the game. I doubt he had to. The only player who feels worse about what happenned than LeNevue has to be Gleed.

[DeltaOne81]

I'll just back Jim up in thanking you for the words of explanation and saying that I as well understand where you were coming from. If it seemed like we overreacted, I apologize, we just wanted to show you that the way you phrased things was probably too harsh.

That said I think we've all come to an understanding now so we can be a happy community again :-).

And I really don't think you have to worry about Lenny. Some things he said early in the year show that he's incredibly good and shaking things off. And he's definitely a team player. It'll probably eat at us more than him.

[Josh '99]

Greg wrote:

It is not, AFAIK, the NCAA record.  Didn't either Miller or that hotshot Lake State goalie a few years have an insane number of shut outs in one year (on the order of, say, 10)?

Yup.  In 2000-01, the year he won the Hobey, Ryan Miller was 31-5-4 with a 1.32 GAA, 0.950 SV%, and, yes, 10 shutouts.

[Greg Berge]

R. Miller, MSU 2001 31-5-4 .825 1.32 .950 (1 shutout per 4.0 starts)
LeNeveu, CU 2003 17-2-0 .895 1.16 .940 (1 shutout per 3.8 starts)

[Robb \'94]

Yeah, but he plays in the EZAC in front of a great team defense, so he sucks....

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