RULE ?

[HpyGlmore2-05]

AMEN Fred!

[jd212]

ok, let's say the tiebreaker is head-to-head games and they lose to Harvard.  Then what? what if their record is even otherwise? All I'm saying is nothing is ever meaningless. But it does bother me when the losing team complains about how the goal should have been disallowed. God, is that frustrating. they lost, get over it.  and it's not unreasonable to speculate that cornell will win the rest of their regular season games. There are only 7 more. They've already won 6 in  a row, twice. It's not logic, it's speculation

[Give My Regards]

There are tiebreaking procedures, listed here:

http://hockey.ecac.org/Page_for_Men/championship/2003_tiebreaking_procedures

As one who has wrestled with these for more years than I care to admit, I'd advise you to do yourself a favor:  don't bother trying to apply them, as it gets very messy very quickly.  John Whelan has/had an excellent "Hypothetical finish in the ECAC" page that showed the tiebreakers being applied.  The link I have didn't work -- John, is it down for rewrite (minor change in the tiebreakers this year, top 4-8 rather than top 5-10), too early to work right, or am I just confused?

[French Rage]

Huh?  Why would the Colgate game matter in head-to-head against Harvard?    ??

[Dart~Ben]

Fred, the picture of LeNeveu with the skate on the line is before the shot.

The one where the puck has just entered the net you cannot see his skate. For all we know he slid out of the crease in those few moments. I can't tell, and there's no replay in college hockey during the regular season. I wouldn't wave off a goal like that.

The ref made the right call.

[FRED\'83]

I'm not exactly sure of your point but they have 9 more games. The point I was making is that winning streaks longer than 6 games are rare, in other words it is unreasonable to expect Cornell to win out no matter whom they are playing. Now they have that lose out of the way, YA. Are you a big red fan?

[FRED\'83]

YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION.
I JUST DON'T AGREE!

[Josh '99]

French Rage wrote:

Huh?  Why would the Colgate game matter in head-to-head against Harvard?    ??

It wouldn't matter in that tie-breaker, but it could matter in the subsequent tie-breakers such as record against top 4 (not likely) or top 8 (reasonably possible).

To clarify, since I think someone said there are no tie-breakers:
The ECAC has tie-breakers to determine final standings.
The Ivy League does not break ties and awards a co-championship if two teams (or more, I suppose) finish tied for first.

[jd212]

The reason why the Colgate game counts is because if they lose to harvard (and assuming their records are the same otherwise), the Colgate game is what made those records the same. Anyway, the point is that I disagree with this game being labeled meaningless. It may prove to have some meaning, it may prove to have none. We shall see. Losses are never ok

[Will]

No game (and in particular, no loss) is meaningless.  Some games/wins/losses mean more than others, true, but every game counts, right to the very end.

[CowbellGuy]

It was far, far from meaningless in the PWR

[Josh '99]

One of the guys who got revenge on Volonnino wrote:

No game (and in particular, no loss) is meaningless.  Some games/wins/losses mean more than others, true, but every game counts, right to the very end.

I think it's safe to assume Coach Schafer and the team see it the same way.

[Al DeFlorio]

I think we've beaten this dead horse long enough.  We lost because we managed one goal against a goalie whose goals-against-average was 5.8 and save percentage .824 in his previous four ECAC appearances.

[jtwcornell91]

The ECAC Playoff Possibilities script and the ECAC Race in a Nutshell go live as soon as the home stretch starts, defined as the point where every remaining weekend consists three straight-up travel-partnership-on-travel-partnership series (give or take Harvard's Beanpot-related nights off).  This year that condition will be fulfilled as of Sunday.

[Jim Hyla]

Thanks for everything, John.