Cornell 4 Union 1

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[Q]hatrick Wrote:

 Does anyone know how the ladie that got hit with the puck is doing tonight? it looked really bad.[/q]Her medical condition should be kept confidential.

[Ken71]

I was across the ice, so we couldn't really see what was happening, but we all were very concerned about how long it took to get her out of there.   Does anyone know why it took so long?

Even after they had the gurney waiting at the top of the stairs (and it took quite a while for that to happen), it seemed like an awful long time before they tried to move her out.

I have to wonder how much of a distraction it was for the plarers - it certainly was a distraction for those close enough to see what was going on.

Ken '71

[billhoward]

If there's a debate on putting netting along the *sides* of the rink, the severity of injuries to spectators may be at issue. Individual's privacy vs. public's need to informed debate.

I'm not a doctor (but then not all doctors are emergency medical personnel either). Even though the papers and TV almost always say "Paramedics raced the patient to Mass General ... " often it's more important to stabilize the victim, not rush them away from where they were hurt. And so the ambulance doesn't always race (it could get in an accident); in some cases where EMTs deal with an emotional family, they race down the block, turn the corner, and then proceed at a more reasonable pace.

You want a spine board under a person who fell, etcetera. Fast response of trained EMTs to reach the injured person counts for more than fast time into the ambulance or fast time to the hospital. Not every time but for most accidents and injuries that require medical transport.

Let's hope the person who got hurt is recovering. Cornell has had enough tragedy already with spectators hit by pucks. I hate end netting but there it does make sense.

[Will]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Even though the papers and TV almost always say "Paramedics raced the patient to Mass General ... " [/Q]

That'd be pretty amazing here in Tompkins County. :-P


[q]Let's hope the person who got hurt is recovering. Cornell has had enough tragedy already with spectators hit by pucks. I hate end netting but there it does make sense. [/q]

Those of us who were in the visitors' section at the game at Colgate a few weeks ago (perhaps ever? That was only my second @Colgate game) were pretty much risking our lives to watch that game.  The netting around that end was so low (perhaps half as high as the netting at Lynah), I seriously feared for my life.  During warmups, a woman in the third row or so was hit by a puck.  Luckily she was able to walk out of there, as opposed to going out on a stretcher.  She was later able to return to the game, so I guess it wasn't that serious.  (I recall that right before she left, she was complaining about having to miss the game to treat the injury.  Now THAT's a true fan.)  Nevertheless, I told her to sue.  She probably wouldn't win due to the standard legalese that come with tickets (even though the printed tickets did NOT have a little blurb on the back like Cornell tickets do), but the publicity might be enough to get Colgate to actually put a decent net around the ends of the rink.

[billhoward]

Hit by a puck where the rink installed end zone netting but not high enough to protect the fans? That's a case where the plaintiff at least has a reasonable case of making a legal case. The boilerplate legalese on the ticket doesn't provide blanket immunity.

When I sat in end zone seats in days before netting, I was conscious of watching pucks coming my way and also in the direction of my girlfriend if she was chatting up her friend ... but I could also see how I could be inattentive and get nailed if I attended enough games.

But I also used to ride a bike without a helmet and now wouldn't think of doing that. The world's changing. As we run out of some of the old-standby natural things to die from - polio, TB, influenza (could be making a comeback), childhood colds, smallpox - I think we've become more conscious of what's left: auto accidents, homicides, suicides, falls. Thus bicycle helmets, seat belts, and rink netting.

[Will]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

When I sat in end zone seats in days before netting, I was conscious of watching pucks coming my way and also in the direction of my girlfriend if she was chatting up her friend ... but I could also see how I could be inattentive and get nailed if I attended enough games.

[/q]

I can imagine that sometimes, even if one is completely attentive to the game and where the puck is, it might not be enough.  Imagine a misplaced slapshot, or a shot deflected into the stands, or heaven forbid the glass just isn't strong enough.  And occasionally, a visiting player will get so miffed at the home fans, he'll toss a puck blatantly right at the fans, which happened last night.  (I think it was Olivier Bouchard who did it, but don't quote me on that.  And as I type this, I wish I had known what this guy's first name was last night, because I would have mocked him mercilessly about it.)

[billhoward]

The shot that injured the spectator was deliberate, or an unrelated puck flip?

[Will]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 The shot that injured the spectator was deliberate, or an unrelated puck flip? [/q]

Oh, I didn't mean to confuse you.  The shot that injured the townie spectator was totally unrelated (I believe it was even flipped up by one of our guys during a clearing attempt, accidentally of course).  The alleged Bouchard shot was flipped at the students.

[David Harding]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
When I sat in end zone seats in days before netting, I was conscious of watching pucks coming my way and also in the direction of my girlfriend if she was chatting up her friend ... but I could also see how I could be inattentive and get nailed if I attended enough games. [/q]
Inattentive?  Look at it this way: every once in a while McKee sometimes misses a puck coming his way!

[q] But I also used to ride a bike without a helmet and now wouldn't think of doing that. The world's changing. As we run out of some of the old-standby natural things to die from - polio, TB, influenza (could be making a comeback), childhood colds, smallpox - I think we've become more conscious of what's left: auto accidents, homicides, suicides, falls. Thus bicycle helmets, seat belts, and rink netting.[/q]
I shudder when I think of my formative years sitting in the front row of Lynah before they put up glass around the sides.