Now that our season is over...

[mnagowski]

No response from Kyle or Keith. By the Official Rules of Internet Fora Arguments we (lefties/liberals) have been declared the winners. ::banana::

Challenging the basic moral authority and fundamental limitations of the property rights approach was a strong factor in the victory. However, in the end the neo-libertarians/neo-anarchists succumbed to the classic "what about the children" maneuver. ::doh::

No, I believe I succumbed to the "it's Saturday so I have better things to do than argue on the internet" argument (the last post was on a Saturday).

In short my answers is: life sucks if you're a dying feral orphan.

Life also sucks if you are a child who is discriminated against in the provision of health insurance. That's our point.

[Robb]

No response from Kyle or Keith. By the Official Rules of Internet Fora Arguments we (lefties/liberals) have been declared the winners. ::banana::

Challenging the basic moral authority and fundamental limitations of the property rights approach was a strong factor in the victory. However, in the end the neo-libertarians/neo-anarchists succumbed to the classic "what about the children" maneuver. ::doh::

No, I believe I succumbed to the "it's Saturday so I have better things to do than argue on the internet" argument (the last post was on a Saturday).

In short my answers is: life sucks if you're a dying feral orphan.

Life also sucks if you are a child who is discriminated against in the provision of health insurance. That's our point.

Yes, but when Keith says "life sucks"  I think he means, "sometimes life is going to suck for some people, no matter what we do - it's just an inherent feature of life" whereas I get the feeling that you might be saying, "isn't it horrible that life sucks for this person?  We must rally to do everything that we can to help alleviate the suckiness."

[Trotsky]

Yes, but when Keith says "life sucks"  I think he means, "sometimes life is going to suck for some people, no matter what we do - it's just an inherent feature of life" whereas I get the feeling that you might be saying, "isn't it horrible that life sucks for this person?  We must rally to do everything that we can to help alleviate the suckiness."

Not "everything."  To be consistent, we can either sell all our stuff and give it to the starving or avert our gaze and intone they must pull themselves up by their boot straps.  The only people who are logically consistent are saints and sociopaths.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

saints and sociopaths.

Another good name for a rock band.  ::rock::

[mnagowski]

No response from Kyle or Keith. By the Official Rules of Internet Fora Arguments we (lefties/liberals) have been declared the winners. ::banana::

Challenging the basic moral authority and fundamental limitations of the property rights approach was a strong factor in the victory. However, in the end the neo-libertarians/neo-anarchists succumbed to the classic "what about the children" maneuver. ::doh::

No, I believe I succumbed to the "it's Saturday so I have better things to do than argue on the internet" argument (the last post was on a Saturday).

In short my answers is: life sucks if you're a dying feral orphan.

Life also sucks if you are a child who is discriminated against in the provision of health insurance. That's our point.

Yes, but when Keith says "life sucks"  I think he means, "sometimes life is going to suck for some people, no matter what we do - it's just an inherent feature of life" whereas I get the feeling that you might be saying, "isn't it horrible that life sucks for this person?  We must rally to do everything that we can to help alleviate the suckiness."

'Everything that we can' is a bit of a stretch. Somewhere in the world a child is drowning right now and you don't see me going all Baywatch to save the poor kid.

But it's entirely fair that we might want to consider rights other than property rights when devising our society so starving feral orphan children are less of a problem. Oops. I said "society". There's that word that doesn't exist again.