Cornell 2 Yale 2 (ot, final)

[Trotsky]

[quote calgARI '07]I think the hunger, leadership, etc. correlate directly to the big things, notably scoring goals and winning games.  Hockey is little things including intangibles IMO and all that together produces the bigger things.[/quote]

This is the difference between the '96 team, which on paper probably shouldn't have gotten to Lake Placid, and the '91 team, which on paper probably should have been in the Frozen Four.

Even one or two leaders can make a difference well beyond what a dispassionate analysis of statistics would dictate.

[Trotsky]

[quote sah67]Davenport had been doing his usual make-everyone-nervous-by-coming-out-of-the-crease-to-play-every-puck routine all night, but also seemed to be solid and had some good saves...not challenged too intensely though.[/quote]

I really didn't think this was a good Davenport performance.  There were too many times when it looked like he was flailing or at any rate not tracking the puck, and I got the impression way too many times that the only reason Yale didn't score was they simply couldn't get a stick on the puck.  Troy's had good games (although, worryingly, mostly in November), but this wasn't one of em.

I'll take tonight's D any time, though.  If the forwards can just step up this team will win some games.

[calgARI '07]

[quote Trotsky][quote sah67]Davenport had been doing his usual make-everyone-nervous-by-coming-out-of-the-crease-to-play-every-puck routine all night, but also seemed to be solid and had some good saves...not challenged too intensely though.[/quote]

I really didn't think this was a good Davenport performance.  There were too many times when it looked like he was flailing or at any rate not tracking the puck, and I got the impression way too many times that the only reason Yale didn't score was they simply couldn't get a stick on the puck.  Troy's had good games (although, worryingly, mostly in November), but this wasn't one of em.

I'll take tonight's D any time, though.  If the forwards can just step up this team will win some games.[/quote]

I'm not sure what the numbers say, but I think that for the most part Davenport has looked a lot more comfortable on the road.  The guy who played last week was excellent and that was not who we saw tonight.

I would venture to say the same thing about the team as a whole.  They seem to be a lot more tentative at home which is definitely weird.

[Roy 82]

It's almost as if we were a young team that is more prone to make mistakes and doesn't quite know how to play together.

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote ryeguy]Did anyone notice that gametracker put up a goal for Romano to make it 2-1? Must be a mistake with his penalty shot. Was he close to scoring?[/quote]
Explanation of the penalty shot sequence from CornellBigRed.com:

"A shot by Romano snuck through the traffic in front of the goal and was loose in the crease when Matt Nelson covered the puck with his glove. Nelson's hand then went into the goal with the puck underneath, but he quickly pulled it back out of the goal. Nelson was whistled for a delay of game penalty, giving Cornell the option of a power play or a penalty shot. Cornell elected the penalty shot, with Romano lining up against Richards as the officials sorted out the penalty. The freshman forward skated in and tried to fire a shot between the legs of Richards, but the Yale goalie was able to get down quickly enough to block the shot."

[Beeeej]

[quote Al DeFlorio]"A shot by Romano snuck through the traffic in front of the goal and was loose in the crease when Matt Nelson covered the puck with his glove. Nelson's hand then went into the goal with the puck underneath, but he quickly pulled it back out of the goal.[/quote]

How is that not a goal for Cornell?

[redheadfanatic]

I disagree.  We scored 3 goals tonight, and Yale scored 1.  We should have scored hands down.  I am not saying that Cornell played great, or even that I think they deserved to play with their effort, but, they did play a great 30 or so minutes in the middle of the game.

[marty]

[quote Beeeej][quote Al DeFlorio]"A shot by Romano snuck through the traffic in front of the goal and was loose in the crease when Matt Nelson covered the puck with his glove. Nelson's hand then went into the goal with the puck underneath, but he quickly pulled it back out of the goal.[/quote]

How is that not a goal for Cornell?[/quote]

An interesting question, because one could say that the puck is dead as soon as he gloves it and thereby delays the game - the rule book might have a specific clause concerning this.

But I imagined that the Feola didn't see it clearly enough to award the goal.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote marty][quote Beeeej][quote Al DeFlorio]"A shot by Romano snuck through the traffic in front of the goal and was loose in the crease when Matt Nelson covered the puck with his glove. Nelson's hand then went into the goal with the puck underneath, but he quickly pulled it back out of the goal.[/quote]

How is that not a goal for Cornell?[/quote]

An interesting question, because one could say that the puck is dead as soon as he gloves it and thereby delays the game - the rule book might have a specific clause concerning this.

But I imagined that the Feola didn't see it clearly enough to award the goal.[/quote]

It seems clear that Feola didn't see it. The goal judge put the red light on, after a long delay, with the red light still on, Feola finally went to the goal judge. I could see him making a hand motion that would support him seeing the puck going in under a Yale player's hand.


I don't know the rule, but I'm just guessing that once he touches the puck in the crease the play stops, much like even if you score when your team has a delyed penalty against it, it doesn't count since the play stops as soon as you touch it. Unfortunately that helps the team who is to get the man advantage while in our case it hurt the team getting the advantage.

[calgARI '07]

If Feola saw the puck go over the line then it is a goal.  I guess he just didn't see that happen and just saw Nelson cover it with his hand.

[Jim Hyla]

[quote calgARI '07]If Feola saw the puck go over the line then it is a goal.  I guess he just didn't see that happen and just saw Nelson cover it with his hand.[/quote]Only the most sinister of us would think he would not call a goal if he saw it over. He looked confused as to what happened and I think did the right thing and talked to all officials, including the goal judge. He then determined the puck was covered before going over the line, thus a penalty.

[WillR]

[quote Jim Hyla][quote calgARI '07]If Feola saw the puck go over the line then it is a goal.  I guess he just didn't see that happen and just saw Nelson cover it with his hand.[/quote]Only the most sinister of us would think he would not call a goal if he saw it over. He looked confused as to what happened and I think did the right thing and talked to all officials, including the goal judge. He then determined the puck was covered before going over the line, thus a penalty.[/quote]

i was half puzzled as to why he was talkign to the goal judge.  I thought those guys were just window dressing and about as useful as tits on a fish.  The goal judges decisions have never seemed to matter, last night included.  I seem to recall the light went on prior to any whistle, yet no goal.  I am all in favor of the ref discussing it, but I have to wonder if the goal judges input mattered last night or has ever mattered.  Does it matter?

[Jim Hyla]

[quote WillR][quote Jim Hyla][quote calgARI '07]If Feola saw the puck go over the line then it is a goal.  I guess he just didn't see that happen and just saw Nelson cover it with his hand.[/quote]Only the most sinister of us would think he would not call a goal if he saw it over. He looked confused as to what happened and I think did the right thing and talked to all officials, including the goal judge. He then determined the puck was covered before going over the line, thus a penalty.[/quote]

i was half puzzled as to why he was talkign to the goal judge.  I thought those guys were just window dressing and about as useful as tits on a fish.  The goal judges decisions have never seemed to matter, last night included.  I seem to recall the light went on prior to any whistle, yet no goal.  I am all in favor of the ref discussing it, but I have to wonder if the goal judges input mattered last night or has ever mattered.  Does it matter?[/quote]If the puck went over the line, even if while being covered by a glove, you put the light on. It's up to the ref to allow or disallow, which I think is what he did, correctly, if all that has been written is true.

[Dpperk29]

[quote WillR]
I seem to recall the light went on prior to any whistle, yet no goal.  [/quote]

this happens frequently. as soon as a play occurs that would stop play, the play is over... refs can;t blow the whistle instantly, unless they skate with it in there mouth, which makes skating very clumsy and dangerous (you fall with it in your mouth you are losing teeth).

think of it on a delayed penalty. if cornell committs an infraction, and then a cornell player blasts a shot past the goalie, the play was dead when the cornell player touched the puck.