ELynah Forum

Quote from: RichHAnyway, so what you're saying is "it's the system" when Iles has a good year or a bad year?  Or no?  I can't tell.

It is whatever you want to believe.

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Quote from: jftf1958My point is that a goalie's performance is based on his play - meaning overall, not just the conference as his job is to stop that puck regardless of who the opponents are.
I am not referencing goalies from 5 - 10 years ago either.  Iles has been averaging 27 - 28 shots per game/yearly.
The basis of my comments are on the fact that Iles has been rated highly therefore the expectation with experience is that year over year he would produce solid numbers and increased performance %   - that has not happened.  I also stated that the overall accountablity is not with just the goalie postion, I believe it is with the coaching staff, but at the same time, the goalie position is probably (in my opinion) the most important position.    
In terms of :  i]"In regards to Gillam, I guess you agree with me that maybe it was his decision to not come this year. It's not like coach could just call him up and say come, and he'd do it"[/i]  I agree with you that he probably decided not to come given the circumstances - but I disagree that the coach could not just call him up as he could if he would have probably said " I will give you a chance to play and develop and compete for the #1 job."   If Gillam isnt willing to compete for the playing time, then its time to go look for another goalie.  You cannot assess a goalie's playing time  just from practicing at least not good decent talent coming in, nor, is it wise to shelf the backup and if you need him in the final championship game of the year- you are screwed.

But when you're playing different teams each year, you certainly can't compare those, can you? And although you never showed any stats, I assume that you mean that Iles is worse this year than the last two, correct? If so I'd like to parse out the Pks etc. I know you don't feel that which teams we play, nor whether we are 5 on 5 or PK, should make any difference in a goalies performance, however I think the vast majority would disagree with you. A pitchers performance will depend upon which team he plays against, don't you agree?

I can't understand, at all, your comments on Gillam. They don't seem to be in English.

It is quite entertaining how, the moment Iles numbers are looking great, shut outs etc., then his stats are used for awards, and disappointments are expressed on how he would not get recognized for goaltender of the week etc.., if someone should dare share that his great numbers are a result of 'the system' - that individual is crucified.  When Iles numbers are NOT looking so great, then its all kinds of excuses, PK, teams he played against, 5 on 5 etc.etc... I am sure the NHL also shares these views that stats do not mean much if they look bad, but, if they are great, then it due to a highly ranked goalies.  
 
It also seems that while for Gillam to sit out one year is ok as it is to "adjust" but not two years.., yet that would not be the case with Iles' freshman year - Garman sat for two years ? hmmm Garman left, Marozzi left, Gillam will not come in...

I will ignore the fact that you do not understand my English...evidently, on this topic neither does Schaf.  Now, all these opinions aside, sincerely hope the boys turn this around. GO RED

My point is that a goalie's performance is based on his play - meaning overall, not just the conference as his job is to stop that puck regardless of who the opponents are.
I am not referencing goalies from 5 - 10 years ago either.  Iles has been averaging 27 - 28 shots per game/yearly.
The basis of my comments are on the fact that Iles has been rated highly therefore the expectation with experience is that year over year he would produce solid numbers and increased performance %   - that has not happened.  I also stated that the overall accountablity is not with just the goalie postion, I believe it is with the coaching staff, but at the same time, the goalie position is probably (in my opinion) the most important position.    
In terms of :  i]"In regards to Gillam, I guess you agree with me that maybe it was his decision to not come this year. It's not like coach could just call him up and say come, and he'd do it"[/i]  I agree with you that he probably decided not to come given the circumstances - but I disagree that the coach could not just call him up as he could if he would have probably said " I will give you a chance to play and develop and compete for the #1 job."   If Gillam isnt willing to compete for the playing time, then its time to go look for another goalie.  You cannot assess a goalie's playing time  just from practicing at least not good decent talent coming in, nor, is it wise to shelf the backup and if you need him in the final championship game of the year- you are screwed.

I realize that any kind of criticism constructive or not, opinions or not, if it's about Iles, they are forbidden by some on here.
However, the facts are what they are - stats not just "selected" by conference but rather overall and includes the progression year over year.
Iles was and in my opinon still is over-rated.  He is a good, average goalie.  It is when your goalie can CONSISTENTLY demonstrate his true value, whether PK situations, weak defense extra quality shots with quality saves is he a superstar, GREAT goalie.. sorry Iles has not been that.  As far as Gillam you are right, he saw what happened to Marozzi and probably decided that was not in his best interest for continued development.  In fact,
in his recruitment article, he said he was told that he actually may be arriving on the Hill this season in case Iles was going PRO.  I think Gillam would have come to "start" as a backup as long as like any other good quality goalie, he would see SOME game time with legitimate healthy competition - and I dont believe Marozzi would have left either if he wasnt stapled to the bench.  Again, a team legitimately aspiring to win the Championship this year, you should have a good, quality backup .. Look at Washington Capitals last year.

Quote from: ithacatObviously, the problems are deeper than just the goalie position. A look at the team rankings on a national scale would ruin the best buzz. The good news is college hockey isn't a relegation sport. The bad news is the team is without Cole Bardreau.

PS, the team is 1-7 without Bardreau.

I agree, the current situation is not specifically any one individuals fault the accountability is with the coaching staff; having stated that, Iles has had the good fortune of Schafer providing him every opportunity to advance in the spot light.  He plays in front of a forest - Wilcox, Esposito, Birch all 6'4", Stoick 6' 3", Dagostino 6'2", Gotovets 5'11".  FIVE of our defensemen are DRAFTED. With Schafer's traditional defensive systems, coupled with a highly ranked d core + goalie, the reasonable expectation of Iles is to post numbers far better than he has, as well as see year over year improvements. I am still baffled as to why Mike would risk a Championship projected season and not bring up Gillam - even as a talented goalie stapled to the bench until Iles leaves.  Marozzi left on leave in late May or early June plenty of time for the call up.  In my opinion Iles is simply an average goalie - lets hope he turns it around quickly  and proves me wrong.

at least we have something to be proud of this year