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Quote from: ithacatIt's all about skating and scoring. This system has been dead for years. Please bury it now.

Yep.  If this isn't rock bottom, what is?  If this doesn't convince them that their joke of a system doesn't work, what will?  Finishing dead last with the "#1 defense in the country?"  

Coach wants to know why students only show up for the Harvard game?  Why WOULD they go to the other games? To watch them have a hard time beating the worst teams in the league, and not even compete against the top ones anymore? To watch them shoot the puck wide of the net for 60 minutes?  To watch the dumb penalty parade?  To watch the coach embarrass the university by throwing a hissy fit after the game?  It's the same shit, year after year, only worse, without any improvement. No f'ing thanks.  

He needs to go, and they need to bring in someone that understands the modern game (speed, skating, getting the puck on net) and not someone that uses Slapshot as a base of reference.

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Makes it easy to pull for Union. [shudder]

It's easy to root for the other ECAC teams.  When they get their shot, they at least make it to the Frozen Four, and don't consistently shit the bed and piss away their bid like Cornell does every time they make it.

Did they win a single faceoff that entire game?  And the lack of any urgency whatsoever in the last 15 mins, just nauseating. This will be the reality until they get rid of Shithead Schafer.  If they don't turn it around by the end of the year, burn the program to the ground.

Maybe if Schafer spent some time teaching his players how to kill a penalty and coaching them instead of screaming at the refs, this type of escalation and out of control spiraling would stop happening?  But he won't change, and it won't change, and the team will do the same thing they do every year, only slightly worse. The long meaningless winning streaks, the "nationally ranked" squad by coaches that look at box scores and don't watch them play, a middle finish in the ECAC, being on the bubble for the tourney, never making it past the first or second game.  Same old, same old.  It's just never going to change.  He has to go.  He just has to go.

Quote from: Kyle RoseI don't think there's any question which was the better team tonight: Cornell's biggest problem was that they made mistake after mistake deep in their own end, leading to turnovers and scoring opportunities for Clarkson. From where I sat in section TV, Clarkson would have won this game decisively had they been better able to capitalize on those mistakes, because there were plenty of them.

I see a lot of hustle on the part of individual Cornell players, but actual teamwork and cohesiveness seem rare enough that they're noticeable when they happen.

If only there were some sort of person who could mentor the players, help them to play better with each other, foster a sense of teamwork. "Coach them", if you will. Sadly, no such person exists on the Cornell bench, and the players fruitlessly continue to try and figure it out on their own.

It's one thing to lose (poorly,) but it's an entirely different thing to lose like this.  They aren't as talented as the other players in the league, that much has been clear for some time, but to not even try?  These kids are an embarrassment.

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Quote from: RedscoreYes  time to change  more because we are are a boring team in a game that has left us and our coach behind.  watch these ecac teams that have made our conference proud, and compare it to the year we made the frozen four. borrrrring.  not today,  go yale and it kills me to say it but we could have been there.

There was nothing boring about the 2003 team, and by saying so you reveal just how misguided you are.

I've been watching Cornell hockey for for over 30 years.  The 2003 squad was plenty entertaining, altough with less flair than Yale generally exhibits. But that team was every bit as good as this Yale team, but things just didn't go our way in Buffalo.

The difference that you (old) people don't understand is that Yale didn't wait until things went their way, they went out and won the fucking thing.  3OT game vs. Wisconsin, that was ours, but we waited for things to go our way.  FF game vs. UNH, we did get a goal but there was a terrible call and we waited for things to go our way but they never did.  That is not and should not be how things work.  Fortunately for me and unfortunately for you the proof is on my side, Yale is the champion while Cornell still waits for things to go their way. Fire Schafer.

Quote from: Chris '03The most remarkable thing about the 2013 bizarro tournament is that the ECAC will be perfect out of conference. It will go 8-2 with loses only in the two ECAC v. ECAC games. When's the last time a conference has pulled that off? [For the Q doubters, this sets up nicely.  They struggled to beat Canisius, beat 4 seed SCSU, and played two EZAC schools. Not exactly murderers row.] Also amazing: If Michigan beat Cornell back in November, Yale's season would have ended in AC.

Also, has a team that lost to AIC ever played for (or won) a title?

I'm happy about the all-ECAC final.  Do I wish Cornell was there? Sure. Am I bitter about what might have been in the many near misses Cornell's had in the past decade? Sure. Do I resent the "easy" success Yale and Q have had at least a little bit? Sure. But 24 years is too long between titles for this conference and it's about time some respect was restored even if Cornell won't do it.  If ECAC schools win 3 or 4 of the next 10-12 titles, I'll be more comfortable being discerning about what ECAC schools I'm ok with winning. In the meantime, go ECAC.  


The elephant in the room in all of this is the institutional recruiting advantages Q and Y now have, and have had for a while now, national titles or no national titles.  Q is an 18 scholarship team with no academic standards to speak of and facilities that attract recruits (even if they drive many of us nuts). They pour money into athletics, buy TV time, and run their program like a pro franchise. Their recruiting pool is always going to be larger.  Yale (and H and P for that matter) now have de facto athletic scholarships for recruits from middle class backgrounds.  I think I read somewhere in the CT media love-fest this week that families making $80k or less pay $0 for Yale and it's a sliding scale after that.  Cornell doesn't have those resources and may never given the size of the student body.  While it will match packages from HYP, it can't do anything for a kid who needs the financial help and can't get into HYP. It's not a great position to be in for Cornell's recruiting approach to have to be "we want you to come here. Now go apply to HYP and when you get in, we'll get you a free ride here."

HYP have an enormous financial aid advantage right now over  Cornell, Brown, and Dartmouth.  Cornell has history, tradition, etc., which is great.  But eventually money talks.

Of course, since a team is better than us here comes the "no academic standards" argument.  YOU ARE A FUCKING DISGRACE AND SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF, FIND THE NEAREST GORGE AND JUMP, OR THE NEAREST TAILPIPE AND TAKE A SWEET, SWEET DEEP BREATH.  Here is the counter argument that Hockey East has dealt with for the last 10 years. Wouldn't Maine and UNH have taken advantage of this?  What about all those amazing players that just couldn't cut it academically?  JVR?  Joey Diamond?  Has that EVER worked out for a single team?  IT HASN'T.  EVER.   I hope you get rectal cancer and spend all of Daddys trust fund trying to stop the shit coming from your mouth and ass.

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Quote from: KeithKWEll, an ECAC team is going to win this year and we'll have the effects of that (good or bad) whether we weanted them or not.

Yup: there's nothing I could do about it even if I agreed with ButtLover. At this point, IMO it would be fine if both Q and Yale lost; fortunately for the ECAC, that is not a possible outcome.

Well, that just seems uncalled for. Also, somewhat homophobic.

These guys (and gals) are utterly defeated with tonight's results.  They have no rational defense, what do you expect?

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Quote from: Kyle RoseALL ECAC, BITCHES.

It is unfortunate you derive such pleasure from something that will ultimately hurt Cornell, blah blah blah blah blah blah

Get over it. Yale and Quinnipiac (and Union) losing this year would not in any way help Cornell stop sucking. That change has to happen at home.

Stop talking in extremes.  Cornell doesn't suck.  Nothing short of winning a championship is going to undo this damage, and that task just got considerably harder.

I'm sorry, but what do you hope to accomplish with this post?  "I have no argument so I'll make a [failed] attempt at internet wit"?  Am I supposed to be angry or sad or offended or something?  I honestly have no reaction to this post, and I don't think anyone finds it funny.  I'm all for trolling people, but at least be a good troll.  You and Trotsky can post as many times about how happy this makes you, but you still have failed to convince anyone that this is ultimately good for Cornell.  I'll be generous and say that materially, the ECAC's success this year is a toss-up for Cornell.  Not from an emotional/psychological perspective, though.  From that standpoint, this absolutely sucks.  

I'm done here.  I don't know if I convinced anyone, but at least I didn't have to resort to gloating or goading.  Hoping for some sort of "Don't let the door hit you..." post to further prove my point.

Don't listen to these morons.  They are the same 10 people circle jerking each other.  If it makes you feel any better they are a running joke amongst the Frozen Four crowd, they sit by themselves, no one wants to talk to them, and insist on injecting Cornell into every discussion no matter how inappropriate. No one outside this forum takes them seriously, and you would do much better if you just find other intelligent college hockey fans, we are out there.

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Quote from: Kyle RoseALL ECAC, BITCHES.

It is unfortunate you derive such pleasure from something that will ultimately hurt Cornell, blah blah blah blah blah blah

Get over it. Yale and Quinnipiac (and Union) losing this year would not in any way help Cornell stop sucking. That change has to happen at home.

Stop talking in extremes.  Cornell doesn't suck.  Nothing short of winning a championship is going to undo this damage, and that task just got considerably harder.

It's going to get even harder because the airlines are starting to charge by the pound and our useless fatass coach won't take any sign short of "free lifetime Ben and Jerry's." So how do we Free Willy?

Not even the sign of a championship game between two teams in our own league who were built from the ground up in less time than it took us to adjust to the ever changing game.  No, instead we're stuck with slow, fat pylons, and pussy dumbfuck Canadiens who flop all over the ice, and Happy Gilmore players that board and nut shot because thats the only way they can "compete". Fuck our team, our coach, and the people on this board that think Cornell is in any way, shape, or form, competitive anymore.  We had 15 years and couldnt crack the championship game, here are two teams that just went out and fucking did it.  The ECAC deserved better than us, and thankfully, it got it, and it is so very appropriate that it was NOT US.

Quote from: BearLoverNot sure why people here want Yale to keep winning.  It doesn't actually do Cornell any bit of good because the rankings are computerized, and I don't want Cornell to no longer be the team that has gotten the farthest in the NCAA tourney in recent memory.  

Nonetheless, it's official: Yale is better than Cornell at hockey right now.  I don't mean this current team, I mean the entire current program.  They've now been doing this for an extended period of time, despite losing players to graduation, with a great system that Cornell can't ever beat.

A Yale/Union or Yale/Quinnipiac final is the best proof there could be that 1) Schafer is done, his time has passed 2) he and the rest of the staff are being out-coached by many other teams in league, and 3) a team can be razed and rebooted in less time than it takes to try and retool a system THAT NO LONGER WORKS.

You can talk about how many times Schafer has led us into the NCAAs, but he has only led us into the Frozen Four ONCE, and NEVER into the title game.  Reframed another way: there are now three ECAC teams (two after tomorrow) that will have gone as far as we ever have in his too-long tenure.  The two remaining ECAC teams will have a pretty good shot at doing what coach Schafer has NEVER done, get into a title game.

You people have gone past blind allegiance into delusion, you can say whatever you want but if you look objectively at the situation you will see how far this program has fallen.  

And let me repeat again, because it's really important, these programs have been built from the ground up while Cornell sat by and did NOTHING, even though the signs were there.  Congratulations, we're Blackberry (or Palm.)  You call every negative poster a  troll, and that's fine, but it's the program that pays the price, we are now a punchline---"Look at all these ECAC teams, what happened to Cornell?"  Indeed.

The players deserve a ton of credit.  They didn't give up, even when the coaching staff did.  And they showed class, even when the head coach didn't.

I have another proposal.  #FireSchafer and find a coach that won't embarrass the university any further. See: the Denver series post game conferences, the 5 minute majors every other game, the nut shots (Ferlin on national TV), the 7 game losing streak, and now this.  He should be GONE.  ahhhhhhh...see ya you goon!

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Quote from: Thomas LarsonLove the win. Great game. But am I the only one who thinks "RIP" is insufferably lame?

Lame, yes, but have you been to "The Morgue"? Please suggest an equally disparaging name.

I thought we were onto something when we used to chant "trade school" instead of "safety school" but it never got distilled into a nice sound bite.