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Cornell football 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 16, 2017 11:23AM

2017 football deserves its own thread.
Sep 16  @ Delaware 
Sep 23  @ Yale
Sep 30  Colgate
Oct 07  Harvard
Oct 14  Bucknell
Oct 21  Brown (Homecoming / Trustee Council weekend) 
Oct 28  @ Princeton 
Nov 04  @ Dartmouth 
Nov 11  Columbia
Nov 18  @ Penn 
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 16, 2017 11:34AM

Homecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: scoop85 (---.nyc.biz.rr.com)
Date: June 16, 2017 12:22PM

billhoward
Homecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.

My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 27, 2017 01:39PM

scoop85
billhoward
Homecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
Cornell Alumni Affairs for the past decade used Homecoming as an all-classes fall reunion, targeting especially the first 10 years out. It draws more people who have more fun when it's tank top weather in September. I think Cornell cares more about having fun that than finding the schedule's most winnable game, else in odd-number years homecoming would be Columbia in November. Even if Cornell had a home game 9/23, the Thursday and Friday before is Rosh Hashanah. Maybe we'll be lucky and October 21 is unseasonably warm. The historical high for the day is 57 degrees.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: June 30, 2017 02:21PM

billhoward
scoop85
billhoward
Homecoming is late this year, Oct. 21, because of the holidays. It's on the road the first two games and then the September 30 game, hosting Colgate, is also Yom Kippur. As to why it couldn't be Oct. 7 hosting Harvard, good question, other than it's getting close to the trustee / council weekend already set for 10/21. So, less likely we celebrate Homecoming 2017 in tank tops and shorts.
My thought is there's perhaps a stronger possibility of beating Brown rather than Harvard, although we haven't had much success against either opponent for a long time.
Cornell Alumni Affairs for the past decade used Homecoming as an all-classes fall reunion, targeting especially the first 10 years out. It draws more people who have more fun when it's tank top weather in September. I think Cornell cares more about having fun that than finding the schedule's most winnable game, else in odd-number years homecoming would be Columbia in November. Even if Cornell had a home game 9/23, the Thursday and Friday before is Rosh Hashanah. Maybe we'll be lucky and October 21 is unseasonably warm. The historical high for the day is 57 degrees.

For my money, the ideal time for homecoming is in mid-October. Peak of the fall, foliage exploding, orchards/vineyards/cider mills churning. Avg temps in Ithaca are right around 60 degrees, which is just perfect for football, if you ask me. </Mr Autumn Man> And there's always going to be a risk of unseasonably cold/hot weather in either Sept. and Oct. The seating section of Schoellkopf tends to bounce heat back up, I prefer not to bake from above and below on a hot day. Also tank tops are gross, and nobody likes old-people knees. Long-sleeve T's forever!!

I kid, but more seriously, and I'll speak from the viewpoint of a bandie, having Homecoming be the first home game always irks me because it just makes things more chaotic and confusing for the undergrads. You're trying to teach and welcome an entire new class of freshmen into the way Cornell game days work, but then before you can calibrate them with a "typical" experience, you mix-in hundreds of crazy, nostalgia-driven alumni and events with everything. Let them (and other groups like greek houses, cheerleaders, etc) get their feet and establish a football experience before you throw us at them. Let them get 1-2 game days under their wings first. The first two weeks of October are just lovely in the Finger Lakes and ideal for Homecoming.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: June 30, 2017 02:53PM

Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?

I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2017 02:54PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 30, 2017 07:32PM

Trotsky
Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?

I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.

Wow, I do like that line of thinking. However, a small dive into Wikipedia sources shows that most of the earliest "homecoming" events in 1909-11 were all directed at alumni & getting them to "come home," especially at Baylor and Missouri:

[www.active.com]
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hr.hr.cox.net)
Date: June 30, 2017 08:49PM

Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: July 01, 2017 12:01AM

RichH
Trotsky
Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?

I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.

Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: July 04, 2017 02:40AM

Trotsky
RichH
Trotsky
Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?

I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.

Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.

I remember being greatly amused when my high school held a "homecoming dance", but only current students were allowed to attend.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: July 04, 2017 10:33AM

David Harding
Trotsky
RichH
Trotsky
Am I crazy (I know, yes, probably) or did Homecoming used to be, once upon a time, the first home game after the first road trip after the first home stand? So it was HHAAH or AAHHAAH or HAH or AHAH. I realize it hasn't been true for a long time, but wasn't that traditionally what Homecoming was supposed to be?

I always thought it was the homecoming of the team, not the alumni.

Wow, I do like that line of thinking
I think my HS may have done what I'm thinking of. Or it all came from an opium dream.

I remember being greatly amused when my high school held a "homecoming dance", but only current students were allowed to attend.
I always thought of Homecoming the same way Trotsky did. I'm not saying the alumni thing isn't "correct" historically - it makes a lot more sense tbh - but the ambiguity has probably led to the term being used in more than the original sense.

 
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Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: billhoward (---.kvvi.net)
Date: July 05, 2017 02:49PM

Agree. In HS our football team had homecoming after its first game on the road. In college, you wanted homecoming early in the year so it didn't run too close to fall weekend. But when alumni outnumber students at a game, I can see the other meaning for homecoming, of the alumni coming home to campus, being important, too.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a longer thread about whether Cornell will finish first or second.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: CU2007 (160.254.108.---)
Date: July 26, 2017 10:05AM

The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.

[cornellbigred.com]
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: July 26, 2017 11:42AM

CU2007
The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.

[cornellbigred.com]

While I am all for this I gotta ask.

Why?
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: gobigred2 (---.kya.res.rr.com)
Date: July 26, 2017 09:10PM

Why not? Experienced team coming back at most positions this year.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: July 26, 2017 11:28PM

Trotsky
CU2007
The 10/28 game @ Princeton will be televised nationally by NBCSN.

[cornellbigred.com]

While I am all for this I gotta ask.

Why?

According to the Sun, Football to Have 4 Televised Games in League-Wide Push for Increased Exposure
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: mgl11 (---.com)
Date: August 07, 2017 10:15AM

Of interest...

[www.active.com]


Officially sanctioned by the NCAA, Jeopardy! and Trivial Pursuit as the originator of homecoming, the University of Missouri is proud of their long-standing homecoming tradition. It was there in 1911 where Mizzou's Athletic Director Chester Brewer asked alumni of the school to help inaugurate the new location of their football field by "coming home" to attend the annual game against the University of Kansas.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: August 07, 2017 11:31AM

mgl11
Of interest...

[www.active.com]


Officially sanctioned by the NCAA, Jeopardy! and Trivial Pursuit as the originator of homecoming, the University of Missouri is proud of their long-standing homecoming tradition. It was there in 1911 where Mizzou's Athletic Director Chester Brewer asked alumni of the school to help inaugurate the new location of their football field by "coming home" to attend the annual game against the University of Kansas.

Ah, summer reruns. I'd point out I linked that exact article in this thread already, but then I'd feel like a self-important tool on an online forum.

Oh wait.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 07, 2017 04:45PM

RichH
but then I'd feel like a self-important tool on an online forum


 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 07, 2017 08:57PM

Cornell home games start times pushed back one hour to 1:30. At least it will make for better tailgating.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
Date: August 08, 2017 04:07PM

Red picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2017 07:00PM

CAS
Red picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today

No surprise. I really think this is the make or break year for Archer.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 08, 2017 08:06PM

Ken711
CAS
Red picked to finish last in Ivies, in media poll announced today
No surprise. I really think this is the make or break year for Archer.
a) Eighth.
b) We've been saying about the Doogie Howser MD of Cornell coaching since after Year 1.

 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: August 09, 2017 06:40AM

In 4 years under Coach Archer, Cornell is 9-31 overall & 6-22 in the Ivies. Best finish has been a tie for 6th place.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Ken711 (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: August 09, 2017 07:20AM

CAS
In 4 years under Coach Archer, Cornell is 9-31 overall & 6-22 in the Ivies. Best finish has been a tie for 6th place.

I think he signed a 5 year contract, so there had better be an improved record over 4-6 and tied for 6th place, or there could be a change coming after this season.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2017 10:09AM

Ken711
there had better be an improved record over 4-6 and tied for 6th place

Is there any reason to expect one? That record sounds like the epitome of Cornell football in the almost 40 years I've followed it. We don't expect Brown to win in hockey. Absent some actual change in institutional commitment (read: admitting/paying dumb kids), or moving the football program to the Roosevelt Island campus, should we ever expect Cornell to compete in football?

I'll take my answer off the air.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: CAS (---.dia.static.qwest.net)
Date: August 09, 2017 10:36AM

There have been periods Cornell has won in football. Maxie Baughan's last 3 teams ('86-'88) went a collective 16-5 in the Ivies. Jim Hofher's teams went 33-23 in the Ivies from '90-'97. The record since then has been abysmal. Btw Andy became AD in '99.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: August 09, 2017 11:53AM

In 1995, 1999, and 2000 the team went into the final weekend with a legitimate shot at the title. Football expectations of students of that era must feel the same way about football as the Class of 2010 feels about basketball.

In other news, I'm crushed to learn this morning that the College Football Data Warehouse has been put down.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: RichH (134.223.116.---)
Date: August 09, 2017 11:54AM

CAS
Btw Andy became AD in '99.

Feels like it's been since 1899.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: August 09, 2017 01:12PM

CAS
There have been periods Cornell has won in football. Maxie Baughan's last 3 teams ('86-'88) went a collective 16-5 in the Ivies. Jim Hofher's teams went 33-23 in the Ivies from '90-'97. The record since then has been abysmal. Btw Andy became AD in '99.
I understand that, and of course it's great to be competitive. I'm asking what is going on that leads anyone to believe the program will turn around? Brown hockey wins for a few years every couple decdes, too, until gravity inexorably pulls them back down.
 
Re: Cornell football 2017 - Homecoming 10/21
Posted by: Johnny 5 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: August 12, 2017 03:53AM



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