Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by Ken711
Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 17, 2012 05:19PM
With Kent Austin resigning to accept the GM/Head Coach roles with the Hamilton Tiger Cats, the search for a new head coach begins. Look for UVA Offensive Coordinator and Cornell grad Bill Lazor be one of those targeted.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: TimV (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: December 17, 2012 11:39PM
And he'd stay 3-4 years and move on like Hohfer and others. I'm getting tired of Cornell Football's habitual Rent-A-Coach approach.
Cornell had a chance to get Al Bagnoli, Penn's current 21 year, 8 outright Ivy Title coach when he was still a highly successful coach at Division 3 Union. Why not try the same approach? Maybe Larry Kehres from Mount Union - record of 317-24-3 and ten national championships in a no-scholarship division.
Maybe Jim Gagliardi from St. John's, Minnesota. He's an assistant for his father, who is retiring after about 6o years there, 4 national championships and 6 runners-up. He's apparently unhappy about the University conductiong a search for their next coach in spite of his strong support from the football alumni.
I'm sure there are others.
Cornell had a chance to get Al Bagnoli, Penn's current 21 year, 8 outright Ivy Title coach when he was still a highly successful coach at Division 3 Union. Why not try the same approach? Maybe Larry Kehres from Mount Union - record of 317-24-3 and ten national championships in a no-scholarship division.
Maybe Jim Gagliardi from St. John's, Minnesota. He's an assistant for his father, who is retiring after about 6o years there, 4 national championships and 6 runners-up. He's apparently unhappy about the University conductiong a search for their next coach in spite of his strong support from the football alumni.
I'm sure there are others.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 18, 2012 12:16AM
Football has been one of the few major sports where Cornell hasn't found a head coach who's leading Cornell into the upper reaches of the Ivy League. Hockey, women's hockey, lacrosse, wrestling are all outstanding. Now soccer. I do like the idea of an outstanding D3 coach. Of course, it's easier to figure in hindsight which was the right D3 coach.
Cornell went 11-19 in Kent Austin's 3 years. What would it have been without Jeff Matthews?
Cornell went 11-19 in Kent Austin's 3 years. What would it have been without Jeff Matthews?
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: December 18, 2012 07:39AM
billhoward
Football has been one of the few major sports where Cornell hasn't found a head coach who's leading Cornell into the upper reaches of the Ivy League. Hockey, women's hockey, lacrosse, wrestling are all outstanding. Now soccer. I do like the idea of an outstanding D3 coach. Of course, it's easier to figure in hindsight which was the right D3 coach.
Cornell went 11-19 in Kent Austin's 3 years. What would it have been without Jeff Matthews?
Even uglier.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: December 18, 2012 09:40AM
We should give them a pass on Austin as far as the coaching carousel goes. It was obvious he wasn't going to be permanent, and Cornell was fine with that because they were hemorrhaging.
They aren't now. They're a weak program, but not ludicrously so, and they can afford to run the kind of search people have suggested: find the guy who believes in establishing a program and staying forever. That's a different personality than the ultra ambitious coaches who want to keep testing themselves by winning at a higher level.
I would think somebody who went to Cornell, or at least an Ivy, and understands and believes in the Ivy mission, would be preferable.
They aren't now. They're a weak program, but not ludicrously so, and they can afford to run the kind of search people have suggested: find the guy who believes in establishing a program and staying forever. That's a different personality than the ultra ambitious coaches who want to keep testing themselves by winning at a higher level.
I would think somebody who went to Cornell, or at least an Ivy, and understands and believes in the Ivy mission, would be preferable.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 18, 2012 10:58AM
Another early name in addition to Bill Lazor under consideration is former UNC Offensive Coordinator John Shoop I agree, a successful D3 or even D2 coach should also be in consideration if warranted.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 20, 2012 05:55PM
While the general sentiment is a good one, you might want to consider people who haven't planted roots someplace as your target. I'd be STUNNED if Gagliardi hasn't gotten better offers than Cornell in the past and you don't build a program around a post-retirement guy just whiling away the golden years. The Mount Union guy also clearly likes his small pond because he's a goddamn whale in that pond.TimV
And he'd stay 3-4 years and move on like Hohfer and others. I'm getting tired of Cornell Football's habitual Rent-A-Coach approach.
Cornell had a chance to get Al Bagnoli, Penn's current 21 year, 8 outright Ivy Title coach when he was still a highly successful coach at Division 3 Union. Why not try the same approach? Maybe Larry Kehres from Mount Union - record of 317-24-3 and ten national championships in a no-scholarship division.
Maybe Jim Gagliardi from St. John's, Minnesota. He's an assistant for his father, who is retiring after about 6o years there, 4 national championships and 6 runners-up. He's apparently unhappy about the University conductiong a search for their next coach in spite of his strong support from the football alumni.
I'm sure there are others.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 21, 2012 12:27AM
ugarte
While the general sentiment is a good one, you might want to consider people who haven't planted roots someplace as your target. I'd be STUNNED if Gagliardi hasn't gotten better offers than Cornell in the past and you don't build a program around a post-retirement guy just whiling away the golden years. The Mount Union guy also clearly likes his small pond because he's a goddamn whale in that pond.TimV
And he'd stay 3-4 years and move on like Hohfer and others. I'm getting tired of Cornell Football's habitual Rent-A-Coach approach.
Cornell had a chance to get Al Bagnoli, Penn's current 21 year, 8 outright Ivy Title coach when he was still a highly successful coach at Division 3 Union. Why not try the same approach? Maybe Larry Kehres from Mount Union - record of 317-24-3 and ten national championships in a no-scholarship division.
Maybe Jim Gagliardi from St. John's, Minnesota. He's an assistant for his father, who is retiring after about 6o years there, 4 national championships and 6 runners-up. He's apparently unhappy about the University conductiong a search for their next coach in spite of his strong support from the football alumni.
I'm sure there are others.
Wrong Gagliardi. The son, not the retired guy - we tried that before with Bob Blackman. Just want a guy who's been very successful at a school with academic chops and no scholarships. And a guy from Minnesota probably wouldn't find Ithaca too bad.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: jtn27 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: December 21, 2012 12:12PM
Trotsky
I would think somebody who went to Cornell, or at least an Ivy, and understands and believes in the Ivy mission, would be preferable.
Are there any current assistants at the other Ivies who might deserve a shot at a head coaching job?
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: css228 (---.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
Date: December 21, 2012 04:32PM
Ya know, its not like Brown doesn't have a history of fairly sucessful football coaches coming out of their program.jtn27
Trotsky
I would think somebody who went to Cornell, or at least an Ivy, and understands and believes in the Ivy mission, would be preferable.
Are there any current assistants at the other Ivies who might deserve a shot at a head coaching job?
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 21, 2012 10:01PM
Whoops. My bad. I skimmed. I'd take a guy who studied at the knee of Gagliardi pere.TimV
ugarte
While the general sentiment is a good one, you might want to consider people who haven't planted roots someplace as your target. I'd be STUNNED if Gagliardi hasn't gotten better offers than Cornell in the past and you don't build a program around a post-retirement guy just whiling away the golden years. The Mount Union guy also clearly likes his small pond because he's a goddamn whale in that pond.TimV
And he'd stay 3-4 years and move on like Hohfer and others. I'm getting tired of Cornell Football's habitual Rent-A-Coach approach.
Cornell had a chance to get Al Bagnoli, Penn's current 21 year, 8 outright Ivy Title coach when he was still a highly successful coach at Division 3 Union. Why not try the same approach? Maybe Larry Kehres from Mount Union - record of 317-24-3 and ten national championships in a no-scholarship division.
Maybe Jim Gagliardi from St. John's, Minnesota. He's an assistant for his father, who is retiring after about 6o years there, 4 national championships and 6 runners-up. He's apparently unhappy about the University conductiong a search for their next coach in spite of his strong support from the football alumni.
I'm sure there are others.
Wrong Gagliardi. The son, not the retired guy - we tried that before with Bob Blackman. Just want a guy who's been very successful at a school with academic chops and no scholarships. And a guy from Minnesota probably wouldn't find Ithaca too bad.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 21, 2012 11:10PM
Word is that John Shoop interviewed on Tuesday.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 05:20AM
[chapelboro.com]Ken711
Word is that John Shoop interviewed on Tuesday.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 09:36AM
My concern with a young coach like Shoop is, would he commit long-term to building a championship program at Cornell, or would get frustrated/discouraged and want to return to coaching at a higher level which his prior experience was based on.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 04:03PM
Agree. And will he be able to adjust to Ivy recruiting and financial aid restrictions.Ken711
My concern with a young coach like Shoop is, would he commit long-term to building a championship program at Cornell, or would get frustrated/discouraged and want to return to coaching at a higher level which his prior experience was based on.
I'm with Tim...a successful D-3 coach or an experienced Ivy assistant.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: Ken711 (---.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 05:24PM
Al DeFlorio
Agree. And will he be able to adjust to Ivy recruiting and financial aid restrictions.Ken711
My concern with a young coach like Shoop is, would he commit long-term to building a championship program at Cornell, or would get frustrated/discouraged and want to return to coaching at a higher level which his prior experience was based on.
I'm with Tim...a successful D-3 coach or an experienced Ivy assistant.
Al, although there's no assurances, I'm pretty sure Andy Noel will be probing the commitment side from his interviews (after going through the Austin resignation), and hopefully, it will weigh more heavily on the final decision than just a flashy coaching resume.
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 09:38PM
Another discussion on the topic
[www.voy.com]
[www.voy.com]
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Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 22, 2012 11:43PM
A poster on voy.com. Nothing wrong with this kind of environment:
>>> I think at Cornell (as with any Ivy) where there is a lot of academic pressure, players need to have some fun at practice and games.
>>> I think at Cornell (as with any Ivy) where there is a lot of academic pressure, players need to have some fun at practice and games.
Re: Search for a new Cornell head football coach
Posted by: George64 (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: January 30, 2013 11:43PM
Bill Lazor reportedly leaving UVA to join Philadelphia Eagles staff.Ken711
With Kent Austin resigning to accept the GM/Head Coach roles with the Hamilton Tiger Cats, the search for a new head coach begins. Look for UVA Offensive Coordinator and Cornell grad Bill Lazor be one of those targeted.
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