Cornell Wrestling article in Philly Inquirer

Aside from its academic reputation, Cornell has another advantage. While most Ivy League schools are private institutions, three of its colleges - Agriculture and Life Science, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations - are affiliated with the State University of New York system and, as such, have slightly easier admission requirements.

"Robbie Koll is a great motivator," said Drexel coach Jack Childs. "He's done a tremendous job there and built a great program. But people don't realize that the kids who get into the agricultural program don't need 1,300 on their boards. We were recruiting one boy and he had about 950 on his boards. He said he was going to Cornell. I told him he wouldn't get in there but he called back and said, 'Coach, I got accepted. I'm going to Cornell.'"

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Aside from its academic reputation, Cornell has another advantage. While most Ivy League schools are private institutions, three of its colleges - Agriculture and Life Science, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations - are affiliated with the State University of New York system and, as such, have slightly easier admission requirements.

"Robbie Koll is a great motivator," said Drexel coach Jack Childs. "He's done a tremendous job there and built a great program. But people don't realize that the kids who get into the agricultural program don't need 1,300 on their boards. We were recruiting one boy and he had about 950 on his boards. He said he was going to Cornell. I told him he wouldn't get in there but he called back and said, 'Coach, I got accepted. I'm going to Cornell.'"

Al DeFlorio

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Aside from its academic reputation, Cornell has another advantage. While most Ivy League schools are private institutions, three of its colleges - Agriculture and Life Science, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations - are affiliated with the State University of New York system and, as such, have slightly easier admission requirements.

"Robbie Koll is a great motivator," said Drexel coach Jack Childs. "He's done a tremendous job there and built a great program. But people don't realize that the kids who get into the agricultural program don't need 1,300 on their boards. We were recruiting one boy and he had about 950 on his boards. He said he was going to Cornell. I told him he wouldn't get in there but he called back and said, 'Coach, I got accepted. I'm going to Cornell.'"

Koll has responded by saying he has no idea whom Childs could be talking about.

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I can't name names or provide specific GPA information because of privacy issues but I teach and advise at least 4 Varsity wrestlers -- more than one of whom are nationally ranked -- whose grade point averages in a very difficult major exceed 3.5. Two are in the 3.8+ range. And those are the guys whose academic records I can access. I have had several other wrestlers in my classes who have earned A range grades [median grade is not an A or even an A-...]. But I guess we have to continue to live with the stereotype that the only reason Cornell is good in sports is because the Ag School lets in dumb jocks.

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Aside from its academic reputation, Cornell has another advantage. While most Ivy League schools are private institutions, three of its colleges - Agriculture and Life Science, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations - are affiliated with the State University of New York system and, as such, have slightly easier admission requirements.

I don't even get the logic here. First of all, they're "statutory" schools (i.e., required by state statute) and run under contract with the state. They are not part of the SUNY system as far as I know. Second, admission requirements at state universities can be quite stringent. Both Berkeley and Michigan are state schools. Third, even if these colleges were part of SUNY, does SUNY really require its member schools to lower admission standards? If, for example, Stony Brook had 20 students applying for every seat, would SUNY require lower standards? With all due respect to the SUNY schools, even if Cornell's colleges were part of SUNY, they probably would have more academically top applicants than say Albany, Binghamton, Buffalo, and Stony Brook, as well as the non-graduate state universities like Cortland. In this it would be similar to the UC system, where 10 campuses compete for the top 12.5% of high-school grads, and to get into the more popular campuses, like Berkeley or UCLA, one typically must be in the top 2-3%, and otherwise go to less popular campuses like Riverside or Irvine. Finally, the last time I looked, Architecture had the lowest mean SAT's of any college, but one must know how to draw and design to get in. A&S and Engineering had averages above 1400, but the other schools were maybe, at most, 100 to 200 below that. This still puts the average student in, say Hum. Ec. or ILR, at or above the level of most "public ivies" like North Carolina, and certainly above Penn State and the like.

"Robbie Koll is a great motivator," said Drexel coach Jack Childs. "He's done a tremendous job there and built a great program. But people don't realize that the kids who get into the agricultural program don't need 1,300 on their boards. We were recruiting one boy and he had about 950 on his boards. He said he was going to Cornell. I told him he wouldn't get in there but he called back and said, 'Coach, I got accepted. I'm going to Cornell.'"

Jeff Hopkins '82
Any chance the 950 was on the old SAT scoring basis? 950 x 2400/1600 = 1425

Or does it not scale linearly?

Jeff Hopkins '82
Any chance the 950 was on the old SAT scoring basis? 950 x 2400/1600 = 1425

Or does it not scale linearly?

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Jeff Hopkins '82
Any chance the 950 was on the old SAT scoring basis? 950 x 2400/1600 = 1425

Or does it not scale linearly?

That's not how to compare the scores, Jeff. There are now 3 sections scored from 200-800; the math and verbal (now called "critical reading" sections that we remember plus a writing section.

But when people talk SATs they still only talk about the old 1600-scale math and verbal sections.