general 2010-2011 basketball season thread

Philly -- Large crowds and TV exposure distract from the purity of the amateur athletic experience.

Yeah I guess thats what the league thinks, I can only hope that some big time Harvard or PU alum didnt get a ticket and knocks some common sense into the league

phillysportsfan
Yeah I guess thats what the league thinks, I can only hope that some big time Harvard or PU alum didnt get a ticket and knocks some common sense into the league

An immediate sellout for a one game Ivy playoff makes a big statement in favor of an Ivy hoops tournament. The clamoring from the P contingent will likely pick up if we go a fourth year (the horror!) without on of them in the NCAA tournament.

On one hand I hope Princeton wins Saturday because I hope Harvard never makes the NCAA tournament. On the other hand, I hope Princeton loses and the obnoxious "we're better than you so we play the Tuesday after the season ends" P v P game is somehow to blame.

I am not really rooting for either of them, I want Harvard to win just so that it is one more year without Penn/PU winning it but then again Harvard SUCKS so cant really pick one

The problem with a league tournament is the league wouldnt know how to run it, they screwed it up this year when there hasnt been a playoff in 9 years

The problem is where else can you have it? On short notice, the only option is an on-campus location. Most of the medium sized arenas would either have conflict, or would require significant costs to just hold the date for a playoff that wouldn't occur most years. The Palestra would be a great location, but it's not exactly convenient for both sides (or neutral, for that matter).

The only other workable option is to use a larger facility on a non-Ivy campus, and I'm not sure how practical that is.

Quinnipiac wouldnt have been a bad option, holds 3500 not too far from Yale and if they sold 2000 in 30min I would think they could sell that out too

Jeff Hopkins '82
The problem is where else can you have it? On short notice, the only option is an on-campus location. Most of the medium sized arenas would either have conflict, or would require significant costs to just hold the date for a playoff that wouldn't occur most years. The Palestra would be a great location, but it's not exactly convenient for both sides (or neutral, for that matter).

The only other workable option is to use a larger facility on a non-Ivy campus, and I'm not sure how practical that is.

I think there's a precedent for that, though. Wasn't there a playoff game at Bucknell a few years back?

I actually think it was at Lehigh because it was equidistant between Penn/Princeton.

Luke 05
I actually think it was at Lehigh because it was equidistant between Penn/Princeton.

Yep. In '96.

Princeton wins the playoff 63-62 on a buzzer-beater by Douglas Davis.

kingpin248
Princeton wins the playoff 63-62 on a buzzer-beater by Douglas Davis.

Tremendous ending. Screw Tommy.

Not really happy with either team winning, hard to root for Princeton either, Harvard still has a shot at an at large

phillysportsfan
Not really happy with either team winning, hard to root for Princeton either, Harvard still has a shot at an at large

I will bet you $10 right now that Harvard does not get an at-large bid.

I am so happy that Harvard/Amaker has to wait at least one more year.

I dont think they get an at large, just saying they deserve to be in the discussion

Next year will be Harvard's league to lose though, they better schedule tough or Keith Wright is going to graduate without any NCAA bids

Harvard has a shot, but its primarily because the teams on the cut line are so very, very ordinary. This morning Joe Lunardi started floating their name as a possibility and he is generally pretty in tune with the selection committee's thinking. I don't think they will and really don't want them to -- I want Amaker to wait as long as possible -- so I have no interest in your bet ugarte.

Pairwise has its flaws, but it sure is preferable to a bunch of guys in polo shirts making arbitrary assessments.

Princeton gets a 13 against Kentucky, I guess the committee wanted an Ivy league rematch even though UK is a completely different team this year

phillysportsfan
Princeton gets a 13 against Kentucky, I guess the committee wanted an Ivy league rematch even though UK is a completely different team this year

I guess that means in about 4-5 years, the record books will show two NC$$ tournament losses by Kentucky to Ivy League schools?

Rita

phillysportsfan
Princeton gets a 13 against Kentucky, I guess the committee wanted an Ivy league rematch even though UK is a completely different team this year

I guess that means in about 4-5 years, the record books will show two NC$$ tournament losses by Kentucky to Ivy League schools?

"Like"

Harvard will play OK State Tuesday night on ESPN. In the NIT.

Chris '03
Harvard will play OK State Tuesday night on ESPN. In the NIT.

Go Cowboys!

Definitely a winnable game for Harvard but they will have to travel 16 hours on one day notice to get there

phillysportsfan
Definitely a winnable game for Harvard but they will have to travel 16 hours on one day notice to get there

Where's the game being played, Kathmandu? Doesn't Hawvawd have its own team jet, a private charter, or at least a rich alum who can provide a direct flight?

Swampy

phillysportsfan
Definitely a winnable game for Harvard but they will have to travel 16 hours on one day notice to get there

Where's the game being played, Kathmandu? Doesn't Hawvawd have its own team jet, a private charter, or at least a rich alum who can provide a direct flight?

BU students peddle them by rickshaw.

Swampy

phillysportsfan
Definitely a winnable game for Harvard but they will have to travel 16 hours on one day notice to get there

Where's the game being played, Kathmandu? Doesn't Hawvawd have its own team jet, a private charter, or at least a rich alum who can provide a direct flight?

To Stillwater, Oklahoma? The Harvard charters aren't allowed to fly to towns with a predominant state school.

For all the talk about Harvard as a bubble team - not just here, so I don't sound like I'm trying to pick a fight with phillysportsfan or mountainred - Harvard was given a 6 seed for the NIT. Sportstalk is fun but Harvard's two signature wins this year were over Colorado (NIT) and Boston College (NIT). I think that they got screwed by the NIT seeding committee but they are in the right tournament.

not quite 16 hours but close enough with having to get to the airport early, Mon 3 PM flight to DAL, 3 HR wait, fly to OKC, 2 HR bus to Stillwater -Est arrival 2-3 AM -6:30 PM game Tue

They only got a 6th seed because the NIT did not want to give them a home game, too small of a gym

Plus wouldnt a charter from a rich alum be considered an 'extra benefit', Harvard doesnt need anymore NCAA violations

phillysportsfan
not quite 16 hours but close enough with having to get to the airport early, Mon 3 PM flight to DAL, 3 HR wait, fly to OKC, 2 HR bus to Stillwater -Est arrival 2-3 AM -6:30 PM game Tue

They only got a 6th seed because the NIT did not want to give them a home game, too small of a gym

Plus wouldnt a charter from a rich alum be considered an 'extra benefit', Harvard doesnt need anymore NCAA violations

They could be a higher seed and play on the road (See Dayton).

It wouldn't be a violation any more than you or I donating $100,000 to athletics earmarked for the basketball program.

Chris '03

phillysportsfan
not quite 16 hours but close enough with having to get to the airport early, Mon 3 PM flight to DAL, 3 HR wait, fly to OKC, 2 HR bus to Stillwater -Est arrival 2-3 AM -6:30 PM game Tue

They only got a 6th seed because the NIT did not want to give them a home game, too small of a gym

Plus wouldnt a charter from a rich alum be considered an 'extra benefit', Harvard doesnt need anymore NCAA violations

They could be a higher seed and play on the road (See Dayton).

It wouldn't be a violation any more than you or I donating $100,000 to athletics earmarked for the basketball program.

Yeah, but $100 large would probably get them to Oklahoma but not back. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Chris '03

phillysportsfan
not quite 16 hours but close enough with having to get to the airport early, Mon 3 PM flight to DAL, 3 HR wait, fly to OKC, 2 HR bus to Stillwater -Est arrival 2-3 AM -6:30 PM game Tue

They only got a 6th seed because the NIT did not want to give them a home game, too small of a gym

Plus wouldnt a charter from a rich alum be considered an 'extra benefit', Harvard doesnt need anymore NCAA violations

They could be a higher seed and play on the road (See Dayton).

It wouldn't be a violation any more than you or I donating $100,000 to athletics earmarked for the basketball program.

Dayton cant play at home because of the NCAA play in games

phillysportsfan

Chris '03

phillysportsfan
not quite 16 hours but close enough with having to get to the airport early, Mon 3 PM flight to DAL, 3 HR wait, fly to OKC, 2 HR bus to Stillwater -Est arrival 2-3 AM -6:30 PM game Tue

They only got a 6th seed because the NIT did not want to give them a home game, too small of a gym

Plus wouldnt a charter from a rich alum be considered an 'extra benefit', Harvard doesnt need anymore NCAA violations

They could be a higher seed and play on the road (See Dayton).

It wouldn't be a violation any more than you or I donating $100,000 to athletics earmarked for the basketball program.

Dayton cant play at home because of the NCAA play in games

But they have a better seed than their opponent. See also Boston College.

Here's the seeding procedure: nothing to do with size of venue or ability or willingness to host. [www.ncaa.com]

In sum, Harvard is a 6 because the committee thought they were #21-24 in the NIT field.

BC has some hockey conflict which is why they cant host, the higher seeds get the first right of refusal to host

Well then I guess they underseeded Harvard because their resume is fairly equal to BC and they beat 2 of the 1's BC and Colorado and they get a 6? They should be closer to a 2-3

Ah I didnt realize that after the NCAA took over the NIT they got rid of the old rules where ESPN use to choose mostly major conference teams to sell tickets

phillysportsfan
Well then I guess they underseeded Harvard because their resume is fairly equal to BC and they beat 2 of the 1's BC and Colorado and they get a 6? They should be closer to a 2-3

I agree Harvard was underseeded - but even properly seeded there are at least a half-dozen teams between them and the bubble.