Cornell - Colgate football

Apparently, it's horrible, though the CU video links are wrong and LiveStats keeps dying. Last I saw, 31-0 Raiders in the 2nd quarter.

Trotsky
Apparently, it's horrible, though the CU video links are wrong and LiveStats keeps dying. Last I saw, 31-0 Raiders in the 2nd quarter.

On the iBN page, below the video, find the "upcoming" box and click the Colgate game. When I clicked the link on the REDCAST football home page I got Cornell-Yale, and that was how I got the Colgate-Cornell game up.

I need to remember not to enter into a friendly bet with my boss on the Cornell-Penn game.

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31-0 at the half, at least basketball and hockey season is finally here

Cornell has given up 4 TDs in the 2d quarter, all on the ground. The shortest one was 25 yards. (26, 66, 53, 25). I assume the fourth TD run would have been longer but the drive started on Cornell's 27.

Colgate gets 21 points within four minutes in the second quarter off big plays and breaks the game open for a 31-0 halftime lead. Time of possession was even (Colgate +10 seconds) and so was number of plays (Colgate+3) but total yardage was 320-61. Tough day for Cornell and it's only halfway over.

44-3 was the final score.

Colgate 44 @ Princeton 10
Colgate 44 @ Cornell 3

Should be an evenly matched game when Princeton plays at Cornell in two weeks.

Did Jeff Mathews finish the game in one piece?

Colgate with 48 carries for 440 yards, including 25 for 291 for Nate Eachus.

Ouch.

I drove from Rochester to witness this game, so I felt compelled to see if there was a worse defeat in the modern era of Cornell football (defined as the 50 years since I matriculated in 1960.) Interestingly, we lost to Rutgers by an identical score in 1980. But it gets worse -- we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983. Not including this year, 11 Cornell coaches had a record of 218-251-9 over that span.

George64
I drove from Rochester to witness this game, so I felt compelled to see if there was a worse defeat in the modern era of Cornell football (defined as the 50 years since I matriculated in 1960.) Interestingly, we lost to Rutgers by an identical score in 1980. But it gets worse -- we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983. Not including this year, 11 Cornell coaches had a record of 218-251-9 over that span.

One small piece of good news is that Colgate is off the schedule as of 2012, to be replaced by Monmouth College, who opened this season by losing 27-7 to Wartburg.

Why is that good, Al? By 2012 this coach will have about three recruiting classes in, and playing Marshmallow College won't help us beat Penn or Harvard. If we can't be competitive with the friggin Patriot League by 2012 we got the wrong coach again.

Actually, 2012 will only be Austin's second recruiting class....he has yet to recruit a player, having been hired in late January......

Can't afford any more injuries, but I see us competitive in the last five....with at least a couple wins...

RedDog
Actually, 2012 will only be Austin's second recruiting class....he has yet to recruit a player, having been hired in late January......

Can't afford any more injuries, but I see us competitive in the last five....with at least a couple wins...

Hard to agree given yesterday's results. You seriously believe we'll be competitive with Penn this year?

TimV
Why is that good, Al? By 2012 this coach will have about three recruiting classes in, and playing Marshmallow College won't help us beat Penn or Harvard. If we can't be competitive with the friggin Patriot League by 2012 we got the wrong coach again.

In fact, Tim, I agree. My posting was a poorly-written, tongue-in-cheek response to George64's expression of long-term frustration, the duration of which is only one year longer than mine. Surely there's a football version of Ned Harkness out there somewhere.

Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Of the last five, Penn will obviously be the toughest game, especially if we have any more injuries AND if they don't grab a W somewhere along the line.....but I'm not sure Penn is nearly the team they've been in the past.....bottom line, if a team runs the ball well, we're in big trouble....

Towerroad
Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year. If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

Al DeFlorio

Towerroad
Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year. If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

And Ned competed in more than the Ivy League. He was competitive nationally, and aside from the notable exceptions of BC and Minnesota, the NCAA teams accepted Canadians.

Al DeFlorio

Towerroad
Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year. If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

Agreed. If you talk to some of the guys who played during that transitional time, they attribute a lot of the turnaround to attitude-bending cultural changes. One small example: A total freak for order, Ned insisted that the equipment staff lay out all the gear and attire in the locker room neatly in front of each locker -- every little thing, down to the socks.

Actually, Ned recruited (coerced?) his hockey All-American defenseman, Harry Orr, to play Lacrosse in his Junior year (Ned's first as coach.) Orr had a wicked sidearm shot and scored 16 goals as a midfielder.

Jim Hyla

Al DeFlorio

Towerroad
Meaning no disrespect to Ned, my dad '51 was a friend of his, but I don't thing looking for another Ned Harkness is the answer. Ned recruited heavily in Canada when the rest of the league did not. He was a visionary in that respect but I don't think there is a large pool of untapped football talent that will allow his doppelganger to tap and steal a march on the rest of the Ivy League.

Ned took a 4-7 lacrosse team, and without help from any recruiting on his part (freshmen were ineligible) turned them into a 12-0 team the following year. If you think Ned's success came solely from recruiting, you simply don't understand.

And Ned competed in more than the Ivy League. He was competitive nationally, and aside from the notable exceptions of BC and Minnesota, the NCAA teams accepted Canadians.

Right. What's more, Canadian players (e.g., Steve Kijanka, Rudy Mateka, Jerry Kostandoff, Laing Kennedy) were at the core of Cornell's pre-Ned hockey teams. It wasn't like he achieved some kind of revolutionary innovation by recruiting in Canada.

George64
we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad. By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

Trotsky

George64
we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad. By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

That Colgate team had a QB named Steve Calabria who was touted as a pro, but never made it to the NFL as far as I know

Al DeFlorio
One small piece of good news is that Colgate is off the schedule as of 2012, to be replaced by Monmouth College, who opened this season by losing 27-7 to Wartburg.

Our luck next year depends on whether it's Division III Monmouth College [www.monm.edu] in Illinois which fell to Wartburg or Monmouth University [www.gomuhawks.com] in NJ which opened with a one-point loss to Colgate. If it's Monmouth U, Cornell trades a potentially lopsided loss to a longstanding opponent with some gate appeal ... to a less-known entitity and the same potential for a bad ending. We've got to hope that the team starts to make its upward climb next year. The Cornell football 2012 schedule does link to Monmouth College: [www.cornellbigred.com]. It says we play Fordham (away), Monmouth, and Bucknell, plus the seven Ivy opponnents.

Meanwhile, we make up for the loss of Colgate in football by scheduling them three times in hockey this year, including Thanksgiving Saturday at the Prudential Center?

Trotsky

George64
we lost to Colgate 7-60 in 1983.

This was the only Cornell football game I saw as an undergrad. By the end, the Cornell part of the crowd was cheering for Colgate to score more.

At the next game, they must have had some stern letters waiting for them from the Anaphoric Society.

billhoward

Al DeFlorio
One small piece of good news is that Colgate is off the schedule as of 2012, to be replaced by Monmouth College, who opened this season by losing 27-7 to Wartburg.

Our luck next year depends on whether it's Division III Monmouth College [www.monm.edu] in Illinois which fell to Wartburg or Monmouth University [www.gomuhawks.com] in NJ which opened with a one-point loss to Colgate. If it's Monmouth U, Cornell trades a potentially lopsided loss to a longstanding opponent with some gate appeal ... to a less-known entitity and the same potential for a bad ending. We've got to hope that the team starts to make its upward climb next year. The Cornell football 2012 schedule does link to Monmouth College: [www.cornellbigred.com]. It says we play Fordham (away), Monmouth, and Bucknell, plus the seven Ivy opponnents.

Meanwhile, we make up for the loss of Colgate in football by scheduling them three times in hockey this year, including Thanksgiving Saturday at the Prudential Center?

The logo on the Cornell schedule also says "Fighting Scots." Of course, it is the cornellbigred.com web site, so, who knows?

Towerroad - keep your feelthy keyboard away from Ned - or Jim, Al and I will be forced to continue to slap you.

I think it was more underhand than sidearm - kinda like a slapshot from the point. He hit a Dartmouth goaltender in the ankle with it and took him out of the game on old Lower Alumni Field. The grass still won't grow along the tracks of his shots there, that building notwithstanding.

I assume it's Monmouth, NJ, alma mater of one of the Jersey Shore cast, IINM. (Or it might have been the girlfriend in "Clerks." )

TimV
I think it was more underhand than sidearm - kinda like a slapshot from the point. He hit a Dartmouth goaltender in the ankle with it and took him out of the game on old Lower Alumni Field. The grass still won't grow along the tracks of his shots there, that building notwithstanding.

Yes, I stand corrected. Orr's underhand shot was like a Larry Fullen slap shot - hard and really low.

Fighting Scots is okay but not Fighting Sioux, apparently.

Trotsky
I assume it's Monmouth, NJ, alma mater of one of the Jersey Shore cast, IINM. (Or it might have been the girlfriend in "Clerks." )

They'll score 36 on us; at the same time.

Trotsky
I assume it's Monmouth, NJ, alma mater of one of the Jersey Shore cast, IINM. (Or it might have been the girlfriend in "Clerks." )

I believe Miles Austin of the Cowboys went to Monmouth as well.

billhoward
Fighting Scots is okay but not Fighting Sioux, apparently.

I think 'Fighting Scots' falls into the same category as 'Fighting Irish' - you are referencing the origins of the school, not "honoring" another culture. Elon, formerly the 'Fightin' Christians,' changed their mascot to the Phoenix but not under duress, and I'm not aware of any Dutch organization that wanted to see Hofstra change its name to the Pride. See also, "Quakers" by some school I can't recall.

ugarte

billhoward
Fighting Scots is okay but not Fighting Sioux, apparently.

I think 'Fighting Scots' falls into the same category as 'Fighting Irish' - you are referencing the origins of the school, not "honoring" another culture. Elon, formerly the 'Fightin' Christians,' changed their mascot to the Phoenix but not under duress, and I'm not aware of any Dutch organization that wanted to see Hofstra change its name to the Pride. See also, "Quakers" by some school I can't recall.

I'm all for Penn being the Fighting Quakers. Maybe at least their Ultimate Frisbee team.

billhoward
I'm all for Penn being the Fighting Quakers. Maybe at least their Ultimate Frisbee team.

One of my favorite oxymorons.

TimV

billhoward
I'm all for Penn being the Fighting Quakers. Maybe at least their Ultimate Frisbee team.

One of my favorite oxymorons.

I agree. "Ultimate" and "Frisbee" are total opposites.

billhoward
Fighting Scots is okay but not Fighting Sioux, apparently.

I was in New Mexico last week and was thinking exactly the same thing as I passed by one of the Scot reservations and reminisced about playing Cowboys and Scots as a child.