Pop Warner question
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Pop Warner question
Posted by: 2 (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 24, 2010 04:01PM
Was talking about Pop Warner with someone who told me that he coached at Iowa at the same time he coached at Cornell. I thought maybe someone here would be familiar with the history and be able to explain how that could be possible.
Also, does anyone know how he got the nickname, "Pop?"
Thanks.
Also, does anyone know how he got the nickname, "Pop?"
Thanks.
Re: Pop Warner question
Posted by: Beeeej (Moderator)
Date: June 24, 2010 04:08PM
2
Also, does anyone know how he got the nickname, "Pop?"
I can't answer the first question, but I do know this one - when he was captain of Cornell's football team, he was older than most of his teammates. I think he was 23 his senior year.
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Re: Pop Warner question
Posted by: CKinsland (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: June 24, 2010 04:30PM
According to Wikipedia (bastion of the truth that it is):
Of course, this doesn't explain HOW he did it. It is hard to fathom with such geographically separated colleges.
CK
Wikipedia
While at Georgia, Warner also coached Iowa State University.[4] He coached teams from two schools simultaneously on three occasions: Iowa State and Georgia during the 1895 and 1896 seasons, Iowa State and Cornell in 1897 and 1898, and Iowa State and Carlisle in 1899.[5] Warner's Iowa State record was 18–8–0, bringing Warner's total lifetime record to 337–114–32
Of course, this doesn't explain HOW he did it. It is hard to fathom with such geographically separated colleges.
CK
Re: Pop Warner question
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: June 24, 2010 05:53PM
Building on the "how did that work?" issue, here are the schedules from 1897 and 1898, from the Cornell and Iowa State media guides (NB: links directly to PDF files):CKinsland
According to Wikipedia (bastion of the truth that it is):
Wikipedia
While at Georgia, Warner also coached Iowa State University.[4] He coached teams from two schools simultaneously on three occasions: Iowa State and Georgia during the 1895 and 1896 seasons, Iowa State and Cornell in 1897 and 1898, and Iowa State and Carlisle in 1899.[5] Warner's Iowa State record was 18–8–0, bringing Warner's total lifetime record to 337–114–32
Of course, this doesn't explain HOW he did it. It is hard to fathom with such geographically separated colleges.
CK
1897:
Cornell:
9/25 vs. Colgate
10/2 vs. Syracuse
10/9 vs. Tufts
10/16 at Lafayette
10/23 vs. Princeton
10/30 at Harvard
11/6 vs. Penn State
11/13 vs. Williams (in Buffalo)
11/25 at Penn
Iowa State:
10/8 vs. Nebraska
10/23 at Minnesota
10/30 at Grinnell
11/5 at Iowa
1898:
Cornell:
9/21 vs. Syracuse
9/24 vs. Colgate
9/28 vs. Hamilton
10/1 vs. Trinity
10/5 at Syracuse
10/8 vs. Carlisle Indians
10/15 vs. Buffalo
10/22 at Princeton
10/29 Oberlin
11/5 vs. Williams (in Buffalo)
11/12 vs. Lafayette
11/24 at Penn
Iowa State:
10/1 vs. Rush Medical
10/8 at Nebraska
10/15 at Kansas
10/22 at Minnesota
10/29 Drake
In 1898 especially, the games are all on the same days, very far apart in the days when "air travel" wasn't even a thing yet (e.g., in Ithaca and in Nebraska, in New Jersey and in Minnesota, in Kansas and in Ithaca). I have to speculate that he wasn't even remotely what you'd term a "full-time" coach at either institution.
(On the other hand, in 1895 and 1896, the Iowa State and Georgia schedules didn't overlap heavily, particularly in 1895 when Iowa State finished their six-game schedule on October 28th, and Georgia only started their seven-game schedule on October 19th; 10/19 was the only day that both teams played. 1896 had more overlap, but Georgia only played four games during the period spanning from October 24th to November 26th.)
Re: Pop Warner question
Posted by: David Harding (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: June 24, 2010 10:20PM
From CollegeFootballHistory.com
A college football legend was the next catalyst in the growth of Iowa State's fledgling program. Glenn S. "Pop" Warner, later to become famous as coach of the Carlisle Indians, University of Pittsburgh, Stanford, and Temple, and also as the inventor of the double wingback system of offense, came to coach the Ames team for the first time. Warner, just beginning a coaching career that would span 44 years and 313 victories (currently ranking fourth on the all-time NCAA coaching list behind Eddie Robinson, "Bear" Bryant and Amos Alonzo Stagg), came to coach the team in the late summer before heading to Georgia where he had been named head coach. This arrangement was followed each year through the 1899 season. Before he left for his jobs in the east, Warner turned the 1895 reins over to Burt German, who was the team manager, one of the star backs and, during the regular season, a mentor. Warner's pre-season drilling soon paid big dividends.
Re: Pop Warner question
Posted by: ech32 (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: July 08, 2010 09:16PM
CKinsland
Of course, this doesn't explain HOW he did it.
CK
Clearly, we've all been mistaken. Pop Warner actually coached at Cornell College.
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