Men's Ivy League Lacrosse Tournament

I'd say it deserves its own thread.

Anyone heard if the games will be televised and/or included in RedCast?

jtwcornell91
I'd say it deserves its own thread.

Anyone heard if the games will be televised and/or included in RedCast?

I think the final is on ESPNU. Others?

Jim Hyla

jtwcornell91
I'd say it deserves its own thread.

Anyone heard if the games will be televised and/or included in RedCast?

I think the final is on ESPNU. Others?

Someone posted on laxpower that the semifinals will be streamed live at livesportsvideo.com. Haven't seen an announcement there yet. Finals noon Sunday on ESPNU.

Yes, Ivy lax semifinals are here, $7.95 for two games: [www.livesportsvideo.com]

Larry Feldman's (he started laxpower and created the laxpower rating calculation--no endorsement intended) take on lax bracketology: [www.laxpower.com]

Not having paid too much detail to the ins and outs of NCAA lacrosse selection, I was not aware until now that the ACC had no autobid considering how they all pretty much always make it.

French Rage
Not having paid too much detail to the ins and outs of NCAA lacrosse selection, I was not aware until now that the ACC had no autobid considering how they all pretty much always make it.

Agreed, but in retrospct from Hockey, I believe a conference needs at least 6 teams to get an autobid (Ref. CHA prior to recent years). So I guess that makes sense.

Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

Weder
Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

And an interesting stat from the accompanying article on this year's tourney.

In his 10 seasons, Jeff Tambroni's Cornell men's lacrosse program has been beaten by Brown more than any other Ivy League opponent.

Jim Hyla

Weder
Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

And an interesting stat from the accompanying article on this year's tourney.

In his 10 seasons, Jeff Tambroni's Cornell men's lacrosse program has been beaten by Brown more than any other Ivy League opponent.

Given the miserable quality of Brown's field, I can see it evening the difference betwwen good teams and average teams.

Jeff Hopkins '82

Jim Hyla

Weder
Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

And an interesting stat from the accompanying article on this year's tourney.

In his 10 seasons, Jeff Tambroni's Cornell men's lacrosse program has been beaten by Brown more than any other Ivy League opponent.

Given the miserable quality of Brown's field, I can see it evening the difference betwwen good teams and average teams.

I wonder if Syracuse says the same thing about Schoellkopf.

I wonder why Cornell, the #1 seed, is playing the late game. I think the ECACH approach makes more sense: top seed gets the early game.

Al DeFlorio
I wonder why Cornell, the #1 seed, is playing the late game. I think the ECACH approach makes more sense: top seed gets the early game.

Maybe because both teams have a full 24+ hours to recover, the "early" v. "late" game does not make too much of a difference. In this scenario, it would make sense for the host team to have the pick of game times and maximize fan support. Though with it being slope day, not sure how many of the undergrad fans will be sober.

Josh '99

Jeff Hopkins '82

Jim Hyla

Weder
Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

And an interesting stat from the accompanying article on this year's tourney.

In his 10 seasons, Jeff Tambroni's Cornell men's lacrosse program has been beaten by Brown more than any other Ivy League opponent.

Given the miserable quality of Brown's field, I can see it evening the difference betwwen good teams and average teams.

I wonder if Syracuse says the same thing about Schoellkopf.

...and every other outdoor facility in the country?

Jeff Hopkins '82

Jim Hyla

Weder
Tambroni's thoughts on the Ivy tournament: [www.theithacajournal.com]
He says it's necessary, with the addition of two more automatic bids (Big East, NEC) next year reducing the number of at-large bids to eight.

And an interesting stat from the accompanying article on this year's tourney.

In his 10 seasons, Jeff Tambroni's Cornell men's lacrosse program has been beaten by Brown more than any other Ivy League opponent.

Given the miserable quality of Brown's field, I can see it evening the difference betwwen good teams and average teams.

Well in looking back over the schedule, it's not much of a stat to worry about. Over the last 9 years (all that's on BigRed site) our record is 6-3 with Brown. 2 losses at home, 1 away. So I guess a better stat than Brown's beaten us more than anyone else, is we've been dominant in the Ivy.

Rita

Al DeFlorio
I wonder why Cornell, the #1 seed, is playing the late game. I think the ECACH approach makes more sense: top seed gets the early game.

Maybe because both teams have a full 24+ hours to recover, the "early" v. "late" game does not make too much of a difference. In this scenario, it would make sense for the host team to have the pick of game times and maximize fan support. Though with it being slope day, not sure how many of the undergrad fans will be sober.

Not being sober could make for a more animated crowd, however. Unconscious, though, not so much.

So nobody really cares about Game 1, eh?

Edit: I guess I do enough to check livestats. P leads Y 4-2 early in the 3rd. Shots 23-18 in favor of Princeton.

Now 6-2 P after trailing 1-0 until late 2nd quarter. Yale struggling to get good shots. Announcers awful.

RichH
So nobody really cares about Game 1, eh?

Edit: I guess I do enough to check livestats. P leads Y 4-2 early in the 3rd. Shots 23-18 in favor of Princeton.

I care. But I just woke up.

Thanks for the updates.

Score update? Last I saw was 7-5 PU with 6:11 to play in the Princeton thread on Laxpower, but that was a half hour ago. The game must be over by now, right?

Right. 7-6 Princeton. Yale made two unforced throwaways in the last minute and never took a shot for the tying goal.

Thanks!

With the win, Princeton moves ahead of Cornell to #6 in RPI, .616 to .609.

3-2 CU with a couple left in the 1st. CU dominating possession (I think we've won every faceoff), but the Brown goalie has made about 4 point-blank saves. If he keeps that up it will be tough

3-2 CU end of one. BTW, these announcers are horrid. The color guy just does not shut up.

Shots 13-5 for Cornell, but Brown scored on a coast-to-coast by a longstick and a quick goal on one of their few possessions. Gotta start putting more of these shots into the net.

Cornell playing without Lau; Gillum now at midfield with Mock at attack.

5-2 CU. Cornell dominating FO's and groundballs. Brown having a terrible time clearing.

6-3 Red after a man-up by Brown. But we've missed golden opportunities to be up by 7 or 8

Hurley and Lang miss wide-open shots and Brown makes it 6-3 with an EMO goal.

Now 6-4. Score should be 8-3 at worst. Gotta convert good chances.

Brown's goalie is starting to piss me off.

6-4.

Brown goalie has 13 saves. Fiore has 2.

Shots 30-9. Score 6-4.

6-4 CU at the half. But it's the most uncomfortable 2-goal halftime lead that I can recall in a long time, considering how we've dominated the faceoffs and ground balls. The trend all year has been that our faceoff effectiveness disapates in the 2nd half.

Brown's goalie was tremendous -- it easily would be 10 or 11-4 if he was even just average.

Al DeFlorio
Brown goalie has 13 saves. Fiore has 2.

I knew there was a real disparity -- I just didn't realize how much.

Fiore's gotta make a few more saves.

Offense seems to have woken up early in the half.

I am dazzled by what I'm seeing.

Five goals on seven shots this period. Brown has zip.

Al DeFlorio
I am dazzled by what I'm seeing.

Al, you've got a few years on me, but I can't recall seeing anything like these past few minutes from a Cornell team

11-5. I sure would like to see AJ stop a few

scoop85

Al DeFlorio
I am dazzled by what I'm seeing.

Al, you've got a few years on me, but I can't recall seeing anything like these past few minutes from a Cornell team

Reminds me of 1976-1977. Shooting gallery.

Sounds like the frosh are stepping up.

MVP has to be Boykin. Faceoffs 18-3 Cornell.

I hope the announcers on this videocast have day jobs. They mean well, but boy ...

Man-down D needs to shape up. 3 EMO goals for Brown, all wide-open.

Al DeFlorio
Man-down D needs to shape up. 3 EMO goals for Brown, all wide-open.

Is that 3 since the last score update or for the game?

14-8 final. Strong game in most facets (except man-down). Boykin was phenomenal at on faceoffs and groundballs in general. But for the Brown goalie and some off-target shooting, we'd have 20.

JasonN95

Al DeFlorio
Man-down D needs to shape up. 3 EMO goals for Brown, all wide-open.

Is that 3 since the last score update or for the game?

Game. 14-8 final.

Nice. Even if we got out-goalied, a 6 goal margin is a refreshing change of pace. Did we leap back over Princeton in RPI?

Al DeFlorio
Man-down D needs to shape up. 3 EMO goals for Brown, all wide-open.

I love how Al is all angry about something every single game, No matter what the score.

Al DeFlorio

JasonN95

Al DeFlorio
Man-down D needs to shape up. 3 EMO goals for Brown, all wide-open.

Is that 3 since the last score update or for the game?

Game. 14-8 final.

Thanks.

I caught the post-game press conference. I hadn't heard Lars Tiffany before; boy, he's an impressive guy.

ugarte
Did we leap back over Princeton in RPI?

Dunno. Laxpower hasn't factored the Cornell-Brown into RPI yet. Will probably come down to the result of Sunday's game.

Al DeFlorio

ugarte
Did we leap back over Princeton in RPI?

Dunno. Laxpower hasn't factored the Cornell-Brown into RPI yet. Will probably come down to the result of Sunday's game.

Posted now. Princeton .615, Cornell .614. Guess a win over Yale counts for more than a win over Brown. Or maybe the Siena and Mount St. Mary's wins affected opponents' opponents' opponents' opponents records.

Al DeFlorio

Al DeFlorio

ugarte
Did we leap back over Princeton in RPI?

Dunno. Laxpower hasn't factored the Cornell-Brown into RPI yet. Will probably come down to the result of Sunday's game.

Posted now. Princeton .615, Cornell .614. Guess a win over Yale counts for more than a win over Brown. Or maybe the Siena and Mount St. Mary's wins affected opponents' opponents' opponents' opponents records.

In this case it seems fairly simple: Yale is 10-4, Brown is 8-6, so in RPI a win over Yale does count more than a win over Brown. (Well, a win counts as much as a win; a game against Yale counts more than a game against Brown.) Not really surprising that teams with the same record and similar schedules would have similar RPI, intuitively. Presumably, whoever wins Sunday will end with a higher RPI, and that also makes intuitive sense.

Josh '99

Al DeFlorio

Al DeFlorio

ugarte
Did we leap back over Princeton in RPI?

Dunno. Laxpower hasn't factored the Cornell-Brown into RPI yet. Will probably come down to the result of Sunday's game.

Posted now. Princeton .615, Cornell .614. Guess a win over Yale counts for more than a win over Brown. Or maybe the Siena and Mount St. Mary's wins affected opponents' opponents' opponents' opponents records.

In this case it seems fairly simple: Yale is 10-4, Brown is 8-6, so in RPI a win over Yale does count more than a win over Brown. (Well, a win counts as much as a win; a game against Yale counts more than a game against Brown.) Not really surprising that teams with the same record and similar schedules would have similar RPI, intuitively. Presumably, whoever wins Sunday will end with a higher RPI, and that also makes intuitive sense.

Except that since we beat Princeton playing a similar schedule, you would think that would give us the edge.

scoop85
Except that since we beat Princeton playing a similar schedule, you would think that would give us the edge.

No, you really wouldn't, unless you take it in isolation. We're both 10-4 against pretty similar schedules.

Yes, we beat them, but since our records are the same, that just means they had a win elsewhere that we didn't have.

DeltaOne81

scoop85
Except that since we beat Princeton playing a similar schedule, you would think that would give us the edge.

No, you really wouldn't, unless you take it in isolation. We're both 10-4 against pretty similar schedules.

Yes, we beat them, but since our records are the same, that just means they had a win elsewhere that we didn't have.

And RPI pays no attention to whom you've beaten and to whom you've lost, just the bottom-line won-lost records of you, your opponents, and their opponents.

What time is the final?

Jordan 04
What time is the final?

Noon, Sunday. ESPNU.

I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

They also played to the death. Which, considering we play Harvard, is not a terrible idea.

No Virginia jokes, please.

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

(or are you railing against Syracuse and the Carrier Dome)?

Rita

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

I think he is expressing contempt for Syracuse.

ugarte

Rita

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

I think he is expressing contempt for Syracuse.

Wow, you are quick. That dawned on me 2 seconds after I hit "post message".

Trotsky

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

They also played to the death. Which, considering we play Harvard, is not a terrible idea.

No Virginia jokes, please.

And they didn't play on lined fields, didn't use a clock and 50,000 other things that make it difficult to make that point. The lousy artificial surface that we used to play on was much more a problem than being indoors.

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

And ice hockey is also meant to be played outdoors, on a frozen pond.

Rita

ugarte

Rita

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

I think he is expressing contempt for Syracuse.

Wow, you are quick. That dawned on me 2 seconds after I hit "post message".

Not quite contempt, the are far too good for that, rather pity that they are stuck playing this great game in an indoor arena rather than under the sky as it was intended to be played.

Towerroad

Rita

ugarte

Rita

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

I think he is expressing contempt for Syracuse.

Wow, you are quick. That dawned on me 2 seconds after I hit "post message".

Not quite contempt, the are far too good for that, rather pity that they are stuck playing this great game in an indoor arena rather than under the sky as it was intended to be played.

True, but a March game indoors is not a bad thing for us oldies.

Jim Hyla

Towerroad

Rita

ugarte

Rita

Towerroad
I have a very low opinion of anyone who thinks Lacrosse (not the Box Lacrosse) is properly played indoors. Rain or Shine, mud, snow, sleet it is a good day to play Lacrosse. That is how the Native Americans that gave us the game played and that is how it should stay.

Sorry for being a knuckle dragger.

Have they moved the Lacrosse finals to Ford Field in Detroit?

I think he is expressing contempt for Syracuse.

Wow, you are quick. That dawned on me 2 seconds after I hit "post message".

Not quite contempt, the are far too good for that, rather pity that they are stuck playing this great game in an indoor arena rather than under the sky as it was intended to be played.

True, but a March game indoors is not a bad thing for us oldies.

Isn't that what the make hot toddies for?

A guy on laxpower says there was some kind of problem during the postgame award ceremony Sunday. Was anybody there who can tell me what happened?

TimV
A guy on laxpower says there was some kind of problem during the postgame award ceremony Sunday. Was anybody there who can tell me what happened?

The wrong team got the trophy?