Cornell - Yale Lax

I guess this got lost in all the excitement. CU leads 8-1 with 8:00 left in the 2nd quarter. And Redcast has a game clock!

Worried that last week's rout by Virginia in the wake of being pushed to OT by Army meant we were overrated even at 8eth or 10th place in the polls. The Yale game seems to suggest Cornell is in good shape.

Halfway through the second quarter, it's 9-1 Cornell.

OMG! Back to back goals by the Elis. 9-3.

Penn leads Princeton 4-0 halfway through the 2nd period

Yale with 2 quickies to make it 9-3 with 4:47 in 2nd quarter

10-3 at the half, as Ritchie scores with :24 left.

It's 10-3 at halftime. Cornell is en route to a 20-to-something victory. Rather than roll it up beyond, say, 15, should we play the entire roster, or give the starters, many of them new to starting, more game practice? I'd say make the fourth quarter an equal opportunity period.

Penn 6, Princeton 1 at the half

Our D is making Gibson look like Seibald.

12-5 Cornell late in the 3rd. Penn leads Princeton 7-3 with 2:00 left in the third (it was 7-1)

So is Princeton having a bad-helmet day? Is Penn under-rated?

Lang loses the ball a lot on his dodges.

Hurley scores with :02 left in the 3rd to make it 13-5. Martinez (who started the 2nd half) made a couple of nice saves before Hurley's goal.

Now 7-4 Penn as the 4th begins.

16-6, as Austin scores 3 straight. Pannell has been great with his feeds.

Penn up 9-6 with 8:20 left in the 4th

17-6, Mock from Lau.

Princeton storms back to tie Penn 9-9 with 7:00 left. Gotta think Princeton wins that one now.

This is terrible. Cornell is running it up on the pool Bulldogs.

This is great. At least against Yale, there's no letdown in the fourth, no letdown as Tambroni moves in some of the less-frequent players.

billhoward
This is terrible. Cornell is running it up on the pool Bulldogs.

No, Bill, the "pool" Bulldogs play hockey, not lacrosse.

Announcer's contract to stand in for Barry Leonard ends at 2:45 p.m.? Have game sounds but no announcer sounds.

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
This is terrible. Cornell is running it up on the pool Bulldogs.

No, Bill, the "pool" Bulldogs play hockey, not lacrosse.

Geez, talk about weird - Freudian? - typos.

scoop85
Princeton storms back to tie Penn 9-9 with 7:00 left. Gotta think Princeton wins that one now.

Still tied with 1:48 left. Tigers have the ball.

billhoward
Announcer's contract to stand in for Barry Leonard ends at 2:45 p.m.? Have game sounds but no announcer sounds.

No great loss, I'd say.

Al DeFlorio

billhoward
Announcer's contract to stand in for Barry Leonard ends at 2:45 p.m.? Have game sounds but no announcer sounds.

No great loss, I'd say.

Maybe he's a Cornellian. Team IC has been great for Cornell sports for more than a decade. Can we just annex their Communications department?

Perfect ending. > 10 goal margin but didn't get to 20 which sounds we're running it up. Nice job.

10-9 Princeton, 1:11 left

Princeton takes the lead with 1:11 left, but Penn comes back and ties it at 10. Now going to OT.

18-7 final. Nice bounce back win. Penn and Princeton now tied 10-10 in last minute of regulation.

Yikes, Penn tied it. OT.

Tigers win in OT. Oh well.

Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

scoop85
18-7 final. Nice bounce back win. Penn and Princeton now tied 10-10 in last minute of regulation.

Good win. This could have been a major let down.

scoop85
Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

billhoward

scoop85
Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

I believe the Ivy playoff decides nothing.

DeltaOne81

billhoward

scoop85
Princeton wins 11-10 in OT

This could have been insurance if we lost one and beat Princeton. Of course, the Ivy playoff decides it.

I believe the Ivy playoff decides nothing.

I'm pretty sure it decides who gets the automatic NCAA bid.

[www.columbiaspectator.com]

Hmmm, I thought I remembered when they came up with it, that it was just 'for show'. I guess they changed their mind. Or I've lost mine.

DeltaOne81
Hmmm, I thought I remembered when they came up with it, that it was just 'for show'. I guess they changed their mind. Or I've lost mine.

No, whoever dreamed this up lost his...or theirs. The regular season winner is the Ivy League champion, but the tournament winner gets the auto-bid to the NCAAs. Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

Al DeFlorio
Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

Seems a pretty obvious way to game the system since the committee uses RPI/SOS as the predominant measure to seed. Let's just say, I don't think we're a 4 seed in 2007 with an Ivy Tourney....

semsox

Al DeFlorio
Lame attempt to get more teams into the NCAAs, I guess, thinking the regular season winner's record would be good enough for an at-large.

Seems a pretty obvious way to game the system since the committee uses RPI/SOS as the predominant measure to seed. Let's just say, I don't think we're a 4 seed in 2007 with an Ivy Tourney....

I do. One other Ivy team made the tournament: Princeton. And they were unseeded. I don't recall the fourth place Ivy team, but another game against them and then Princeton--assuming Cornell won both--would likely have changed little. The NCAA committee is getting smarter. They learned from 2007. Last year Hopkins was #4 in RPI and #1 in SOS and was seeded eighth. Loyola was #9 in RPI and #3 in SOS and was left out.

Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

Al DeFlorio

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

Agree 100%, but as we both know it takes two to tango. There's not exactly a ton of teams clamoring for a home and home so they can travel up to Ithaca. It's why I have such respect for Virginia doing it.

Al DeFlorio

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?" What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is. That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams. Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

Al DeFlorio

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?" What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is. That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams. Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

That assumes that Cornell isn't trying; I was sure that you didn't mean that.

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

ugarte

Al DeFlorio

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games. Playing another 2 games vs 2 of Princeton/Brown/Harvard will be great for RPI and SOS, and yes while the committee is getting smarter, it's 2 more chances for wins vs very good teams. Then again I'm a young-un so I'm not all too upset about abandoning the Ivy roots, selling out on our elite academics, etc...

I'd rather see us try to schedule another top-tier non-Ivy than play two more games against Ivy teams.

It isn't entirely our call, unfortunately.

Trying isn't "our call?" What's unfortunate is we've now tied up two more games against Ivies, assuming we finish top four, that is. That makes eight out of fifteen games on our schedule against Ivy teams. Sorry, but I don't like that one bit.

That assumes that Cornell isn't trying; I was sure that you didn't mean that.

To be clear: I'd rather have kept trying than play Brown, Harvard, and/or Princeton a second time, and possibly have more than half our games against Ivy teams. There are other "northern" teams we could try with: UMass, Hofstra, Albany (not strong this year but certainly have been), Bucknell, Drexel. But we're stuck now with the redundant Ivy playoff. My opinion is it's stupid. Yours may differ.

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.

That's not entirely true, guys could get hurt.

Josh '99

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.

That's not entirely true, guys could get hurt.

Or, a Cornell team that finishes first in the regular season, but has no wins over top-ranked non-Ivy teams, could lose in the tournament and miss out on the auto-bid.

Also, I'm not so sure I'd say "the Ivy is having a good year" just yet. Princeton has two good out-of-league wins (Hofstra and Hopkins, although the latter may turn out to be questionable) but the only other ranked team beaten by an Ivy is Harvard--an Ivy--by Brown.

Al DeFlorio

Josh '99

semsox
Regardless, when the Ivy is having a good year (ie this year), there is pretty much no downside to playing the 2 extra games.

That's not entirely true, guys could get hurt.

Or, a Cornell team that finishes first in the regular season, but has no wins over top-ranked non-Ivy teams, could lose in the tournament and miss out on the auto-bid.

Also, I'm not so sure I'd say "the Ivy is having a good year" just yet. Princeton has two good out-of-league wins (Hofstra and Hopkins, although the latter may turn out to be questionable) but the only other ranked team beaten by an Ivy is Harvard--an Ivy--by Brown.

It seems clear to me that the Ivies got frustrated at the wthe southern teams have been gaming the selection criteria with their insular schedules, decided to give up fighting it and game the system themselves. It might work or it might backfire. We'll have to see it would be better if it weren't "necessary" to go that route.