Cornell vs. St. John's Men's BB Roll Call

I'll be there, possibly +dss28. Yesterday's game was a good time, poor attendance notwithstanding.

Me + 0.5.

Yesterday's game was freaking... AMAZING. One I'll remember for as long as I can imagine.

I'll be there +2! LGR!

Inside defense continues to be poor, DJ Kennedy dribbles right through the defense untouched for an easy layup

Rough half, only down by 5, shooting well just too many turnovers, although few fouls on Cornell for once

phillysportsfan
Inside defense continues to be poor, DJ Kennedy dribbles right through the defense untouched for an easy layup

Not much inside game on offense, either. Foote's playing at the top of the circle, so no offensive boards. St. John's getting too many offensive boards. St. John D playing "in Cornell's shirts" so open treys are hard to get, yet only one open lay-up for Cornell (Foote's dunk). Lucky to be only five down given St. John's hot shooting.

Doing a much better job this half working the ball down low in the face of SJU's pressure on the perimeter.

Jordan 04
Doing a much better job this half working the ball down low in the face of SJU's pressure on the perimeter.

This might be an understatement. Some really pretty passing in the paint right now.

8-0 run Cornell up 52-47 after a Foote 3 point play and Wittman 3

Fouling a lot recently.

Still up 59-57. 3:44 left.

60-57 3:11 to play Cornell up

It's kind of astonishing how hot and cold Wittman is sometimes.

62-60 1:21 to play Cornell up and have possession

Josh '99

It's kind of astonishing how hot and cold Wittman is sometimes.

I would suspect that's the way it is for a lot of guys that do most of their damage 25 feet from the rim. It can be frustrating, for sure, but it's awfully sweet when he's in rhythm.

64-62 CU with 1:03 left.

Good to see Dale back on the court after the injury

Huge night for Jaques. 5 point lead with 21 seconds left.

69-62 ~:24 left Cornell up

Nothing comes easy.

69-66 after a Wrobo foul and 3 off a missed foul shot

up by 4 4.9 seconds left Jaques at the line

GREAT win. Now win the Ivies and make it count!

Looks like I should've gone.

We win!!!!!!!!!
Game ball goes to Jaques

Final: Cornell 71, St. John's 66!!!

Josh '99
Looks like I should've gone

Ditto. If I had only known the Giants game would be a laugher...

Foote and Wittman All tournament team
Foote gets MVP

Simply great job by Donahue to really change the approach in the second half.

Great win! You can't count on a guy like Jaques suddenly getting hot, but when it's there it's there and they made it work. Great team ball, better rebounding in the 2nd half, and POISE. This is a team that knows how to win the close games - near-collapse last night notwithstanding.

The powers that be would never let it happen, but the preconference "body of work" of CU and Sucks makes a good case for a two-bid Ivy this year.

Very nice ending. No way we going to lose when we went +7 with half a minute to go. And then St. John's gets it down to 3 before Cornell settles and goes on to win. St. John's played Cornell tough. So did the MSG announcers.

Kind of sad to see the low attendance again Monday night ... vs. the clips of the Bill Bradley / Princeton appearance to a packed house in 1964.

Jordan 04
Simply great job by Donahue to really change the approach in the second half.

When they're "in your shirts," you have to take it inside, and Cornell finally did in the second half. Great win.

UMass, by the way, knocked off Memphis the other night.

MOBalum
Great win! You can't count on a guy like Jaques suddenly getting hot, but when it's there it's there and they made it work. Great team ball, better rebounding in the 2nd half, and POISE. This is a team that knows how to win the close games - near-collapse last night notwithstanding. The powers that be would never let it happen, but the preconference "body of work" of CU and Sucks makes a good case for a two-bid Ivy this year.

Which I don't believe has ever happened, even when Penn and Princeton were both good. Tommy Amaker already has the wardrobe for national TV.

billhoward

MOBalum
Great win! You can't count on a guy like Jaques suddenly getting hot, but when it's there it's there and they made it work. Great team ball, better rebounding in the 2nd half, and POISE. This is a team that knows how to win the close games - near-collapse last night notwithstanding. The powers that be would never let it happen, but the preconference "body of work" of CU and Sucks makes a good case for a two-bid Ivy this year.

Which I don't believe has ever happened, even when Penn and Princeton were both good. Tommy Amaker already has the wardrobe for national TV.

Maybe if Cornell beats Kansas, and then Harvard and Cornell both go 13-1 to force a play-off.

Wow. Just, wow.

I'll read the rest of this thread tomorrow, but for now -

Wow.

The only way I see a 2 bid Ivy is if Cornell and Harvard finish their OOC games undefeated and win all Ivy games except close loses away at each other and then there is a close 1 game playoff

Here's ESPN's Andy Katz's tweet: "Great win for Cornell over St. John's at Madison Square Garden. In the right matchup, Cornell can advance a round in NCAAs."

mnagowski

Maybe if Cornell beats Kansas, and then Harvard and Cornell both go 13-1 to force a play-off.

Yes, and if pigs start doing international flights out of LaGuardia.

HeafDog

mnagowski

Maybe if Cornell beats Kansas, and then Harvard and Cornell both go 13-1 to force a play-off.

Yes, and if pigs start doing international flights out of LaGuardia.

Yeah, but they'll crash into birds and wind up in the Hudson.

Great game. The first half deficit was a product of St. John's shooting out of their minds from 3. They weren't shooting any better than we were, really, but it isn't typical of St. John's to shoot that well. As it was, even with the cold second half it was their best three point shooting game of the year. The great shooting in the first half by the Red Storm kind of won the game for us because they never really stopped shooting - even after it stopped being a good idea. They were able to get good dribble-penetration and were a good finishing team.

A lot of credit goes to Foote for adjusting over the course of the game. He started posting up more in the second half and his shooting was great. His interior defense was solid, especially positionally. 5 blocks, he was not getting posted up by shorter (but stronger) players, and nobody was able to pass through the lane. Jon Jacques had the game of his life. All that blogging for the New York Times prepared him for the spotlight at MSG, I guess. And a lot of credit should go to Chris Wroblewski; he handled the point for most of the game and did a great job bringing the ball up and distributing it around the perimeter. Even when Louis Dale wasn't obviously hurt, he was horrible last night. It looked like he was allergic to the basketball.

As for Ryan Wittman, he wasn't hot-and-cold so much as guarded or open. After hitting some shots early, it was clear that St. John's was forcing the ball away from Wittman. He looked like he was wearing a Red Storm jersey for most of the night.

Daily News coverage

This is a huge win. Cornell has wins over the SEC (Alabama), Big East (St. John's), A-10 (UMass, St. Joe's), MAC (Toledo), Southland (Davidson), Colonial (Drexel), America East (Vermont) and Patriot (Bucknell) conferences. Harvard adds the ACC (BC) and Conference USA (Rice) to the Ivy collection. This isn't going to be enough to make the Ivy League a two-bid conference, I don't think, but it will be a fun season.

phillysportsfan
The only way I see a 2 bid Ivy is if Cornell and Harvard finish their OOC games undefeated and win all Ivy games except close loses away at each other and then there is a close 1 game playoff

Cornell now #20 in RPI according to: [www.realtimerpi.com]
Wait till the Ivy schedule drags it down.

Harvard #34.

Al DeFlorio

phillysportsfan
The only way I see a 2 bid Ivy is if Cornell and Harvard finish their OOC games undefeated and win all Ivy games except close loses away at each other and then there is a close 1 game playoff

Cornell now #20 in RPI according to: [www.realtimerpi.com]
Wait till the Ivy schedule drags it down.

Harvard #34.

Looks like Kansas is the underdog at #25

Al DeFlorio

HeafDog

mnagowski

Maybe if Cornell beats Kansas, and then Harvard and Cornell both go 13-1 to force a play-off.

Yes, and if pigs start doing international flights out of LaGuardia.

Yeah, but they'll crash into birds and wind up in the Hudson.

Nah, pigs need a long runway. Maybe JFK.

Chris '03

Al DeFlorio

phillysportsfan
The only way I see a 2 bid Ivy is if Cornell and Harvard finish their OOC games undefeated and win all Ivy games except close loses away at each other and then there is a close 1 game playoff

Cornell now #20 in RPI according to: [www.realtimerpi.com]
Wait till the Ivy schedule drags it down.

Harvard #34.

Looks like Kansas is the underdog at #25

Shows what a lousy metric RPI is.

Al DeFlorio

Chris '03

Al DeFlorio

phillysportsfan
The only way I see a 2 bid Ivy is if Cornell and Harvard finish their OOC games undefeated and win all Ivy games except close loses away at each other and then there is a close 1 game playoff

Cornell now #20 in RPI according to: [www.realtimerpi.com]
Wait till the Ivy schedule drags it down.

Harvard #34.

Looks like Kansas is the underdog at #25

Shows what a lousy metric RPI is.

Oh man, do I have to do a Bradley-Terry for basketball too?

Does anyone know the last time (if ever) that Cornell defeated a Big East team?

I just answered my own question -- or at least the Daily News did:
"Cornell won its first Holiday Festival in four appearances and snapped a 41-game losing streak to Big East teams that dated back to before the conference was formed - a win over Villanova Dec. 30, 1969."

12/30/1969 Cornell 63 - Villanova 58, at the Palestra, I believe. Of course, the Big East was founded in 1979.

dbilmes
Does anyone know the last time (if ever) that Cornell defeated a Big East team?

I just answered my own question -- or at least the Daily News did:
"Cornell won its first Holiday Festival in four appearances and snapped a 41-game losing streak to Big East teams that dated back to before the conference was formed - a win over Villanova Dec. 30, 1969."

I hate this stat, it's been said over and over with no mention that some 32 of those losses have been to SU.

Jim Hyla

dbilmes
Does anyone know the last time (if ever) that Cornell defeated a Big East team?

I just answered my own question -- or at least the Daily News did:
"Cornell won its first Holiday Festival in four appearances and snapped a 41-game losing streak to Big East teams that dated back to before the conference was formed - a win over Villanova Dec. 30, 1969."

I hate this stat, it's been said over and over with no mention that some 32 of those losses have been to SU.

And no one seems to agree on the number. The cornellbigred.com story says 46-straight losses.

Al DeFlorio

Jim Hyla

dbilmes
Does anyone know the last time (if ever) that Cornell defeated a Big East team?

I just answered my own question -- or at least the Daily News did:
"Cornell won its first Holiday Festival in four appearances and snapped a 41-game losing streak to Big East teams that dated back to before the conference was formed - a win over Villanova Dec. 30, 1969."

I hate this stat, it's been said over and over with no mention that some 32 of those losses have been to SU.

And no one seems to agree on the number. The cornellbigred.com story says 46-straight losses.

The Big East has changed membership through the years. You'll come up with different numbers based on whether you count only current members, games played against teams in the Big East when Cornell played them, teams that were at one time in the Big East (whether or not they were when Cornell played them), etc.

jtwcornell91


Oh man, do I have to do a Bradley-Terry for basketball too?

We'd eat it up!

For many years, I have produced just such a rating set, inspired by the work of JTW and those who came before him:

B-T (Z-Ratings) for NCAA Division I basketball

Cornell is (through games of 12/21) ranked at 19, two spots above St. John's, and only four below the Jayhawks.

This is not exactly the same Bradley-Terry formulation used by JTW. My ratings are based on the "original" KRACH which included "tied" games. I give these fictitious games a lesser weight than the real games (presently 0.2), and eliminate this influence when all teams have a win and a loss.

Thanks, Matt

Penn at 341 of 347 in the Z-Ratings. Must kill them to see Donahue at Cornell.

kingpin248
For many years, I have produced just such a rating set, inspired by the work of JTW and those who came before him:

B-T (Z-Ratings) for NCAA Division I basketball

Cornell is (through games of 12/21) ranked at 19, two spots above St. John's, and only four below the Jayhawks.

Harvard is only one slot behind Alabama. Interesting. It is going to be a fun year in the league unless Harvard falls apart. (NB: I would much prefer a relaxing year to a "fun" one. I hope Harvard falls apart.)

[www.channelsurfing.net]

Free feed of Harvard vs. Georgetown

mnagowski
[www.channelsurfing.net]

Free feed of Harvard vs. Georgetown

GT 44, H 33 at the half. Was a one or two point game with 4 minutes to go in the half.

And some more love from the NY Daily News college hoops columnist:


[www.nydailynews.com]

It's ancient history now, but the Holiday Festival championship game is being shown on Fox College Sports Atlantic at 7:30pm tonight, January 1.