Cornell at Penn football pre-game

Depressing. I've almost never missed a Cornell football game at Princeton or Penn. The ones I missed, I couldn't go, rather than didn't want to go. If I go this year, I get to see Cornell possibly extend its losing streak to eight and go 1-7 [edit: 1-6] in the Ivy League. Tailgating isn't half as nice as at Yale or Princeton. As with Yale Bowl, the stadium's 50-000-plus seats are a reminder that the Ivies' glory days are long, long past. The weather usually is bitterly cold, except this year the forecast calls for high 50s. Maybe that's enough. The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title - which could also happen if Yale takes down Harvard and we overcome Penn (right). Well, we've still got wrestling, hockey, basketball, and lacrosse. Is anybody going? I made it to 3 football games already although it went downhill after the first one, with the awesome tailgating at Yale and the dramatic victory when our drill instructor-inspired D held off that Yale 2-point conversion at the end. I hope next year turns out better. I feel sorry for the players.

billhoward
extend its losing streak to eight and go 1-7 in the Ivy League.

Worst we could do is 1-6 unless you're counting the loss to Colgate who as we all know was invited to join the Ivy League but turned it down.

You're right. We can't play ourselves, which would be one way to halt - or extend? - the streak.

billhoward
The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

jtwcornell91

billhoward
The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

phillysportsfan

jtwcornell91

billhoward
The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

Josh '99

phillysportsfan

jtwcornell91

billhoward
The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

Penn has an actual reputation in basketball outside of the Ivy League. Not that they are North Carolina or anything, but winning the Ivy football title isn't exactly the same thing as making the Sweet 16.

ugarte

Josh '99

phillysportsfan

jtwcornell91

billhoward
The only bright spot: If Penn wins, then Harvard doesn't win the Ivy title

You say that like Penn winning the Ivy title is not a horrible thing.

It is a horrible thing but we can get our revenge through the basketball team especially since that is Penn's sport.

But so is football.

Penn has an actual reputation in basketball outside of the Ivy League. Not that they are North Carolina or anything, but winning the Ivy football title isn't exactly the same thing as making the Sweet 16.

True, but irrelevant in that we're talking specifically about winning the Ivy title. Penn has been a powerhouse in Ivy football in the recent past just as much as they have in basketball. (While they haven't won as many football titles as basketball since, say, 1980, they haven't had a foil in football on par with Princeton in basketball either.)

Getting back to the original point, I can see where Bill was coming from, since this is a hockey board and people who are hockey fans first and foremost might tend to de-emphasize the Penn rivalry (which is, perhaps, as much of a one-sport rivalry as the Harvard rivalry or, in the spring, the Princeton rivalry) since the pansies dropped their program rather than take their whippings like adults.

If you mean Penn dropping hockey, that must have outraged a bunch of alumni who built the Quakers a pretty nice rink (Class of '23 Rink) in the late sixties only to see Penn drop the sport circa 1972. I believe it had a glassed in booth on steel piers at center ice where those alums and others who cared about hockey could watch without being drowned out by the thousands - hundreds? - of other Penn fans.

Sure, Cornell and Penn have had a great football rivalry but it was ancient and pretty much past history when Ed Marinaro roamed Schoellkopf and Franklin Field and since the majority of Cornellians were born after Marinaro played, even he must seem ancient. The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet. (Sort of like the Julia Roberts (?) line about women in film: Your roles are babe, assistant D.A., and Driving Miss Daisy.)

When you see an almost empty Yale Bowl in September (and spent the next couple days picking sharp edged paint chips out of your butt) that's a reminder of long-faded glory. Franklin Field is worse because the steel girders and overhang make it look like something out of fright movie, plus it's usually bitterly cold. It's good for Penn that it can win at something.

billhoward
(and spent the next couple days picking sharp edged paint chips out of your butt)

Now that is exactly the mental image I needed to wake me up and get me going this morning...

billhoward
The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

nyc94

billhoward
The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

Was that the one with Alyssa Milano?

Josh '99

nyc94

billhoward
The years pass quickly, from stallion on the field to stud on Hill Street Blues to telling urologist jokes at the Ivy football banquet.

You can't leave out perhaps Ed's greatest achievement: portraying Joey Buttafuoco in "Amy Fisher: My Story".

Was that the one with Alyssa Milano?

No. And it wasn't the one with Drew Barrymore either. Each of the three major broadcast networks made a movie and thankfully I was out of the country when they aired in late 1992/early 1993. From what I just found in a New York Times piece from 1993, CBS had "Casualties of Love: The 'Long Island Lolita' Story" starring Alyssa Milano which was based on rights bought from the Buttafuocos. NBC had "Amy Fisher: My Story" which starred Marinaro and Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks). NBC paid Amy Fisher for her story. ABC had "The Amy Fisher Story" starring Drew Barrymore. If I recall correctly, Saturday Night Live made fun of this with promos for Masterpiece Theater's take on the story as well as BET's.

nyc94
No. And it wasn't the one with Drew Barrymore either. Each of the three major broadcast networks made a movie and thankfully I was out of the country when they aired in late 1992/early 1993. From what I just found in a New York Times piece from 1993, CBS had "Casualties of Love: The 'Long Island Lolita' Story" starring Alyssa Milano which was based on rights bought from the Buttafuocos. NBC had "Amy Fisher: My Story" which starred Marinaro and Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks). NBC paid Amy Fisher for her story. ABC had "The Amy Fisher Story" starring Drew Barrymore. If I recall correctly, Saturday Night Live made fun of this with promos for Masterpiece Theater's take on the story as well as BET's.

eLynah - priceless. Who needs Wikipedia or IMDB? Thank you.

nyc94
Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).

Sort of.

I have to say, I didn't even know this existed.

jtwcornell91

nyc94
Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).

Sort of.

I have to say, I didn't even know this existed.

I'm not sure I did either. Keri Russell? JIM BREUER as Randal? Wow.

jtwcornell91
Sort of.

I have to say, I didn't even know this existed.

Neither did I. As the only one of the three Amy Fisher's whose name I did not recognize I just clicked on her name and saw Clerks, I should have caught it right away that the year is wrong and it says "TV". Whoever she is she did appear in some episodes of "Sisters" which also starred Ed Marinaro.

Josh '99

jtwcornell91

nyc94
Noelle Parker (who would go on to appear in Clerks).

Sort of.

I have to say, I didn't even know this existed.

I'm not sure I did either. Keri Russell? JIM BREUER as Randal? Wow.

I like how Kevin Smith pointed out he owned the rights to Jay and Silent Bob, so they changed the name to "Ray".

Cornell is being embarrassed right now at Penn, even with our lowered expectations. Only about 30 offensive yards for the Big Red as of mid 3rd quarter, and only 1 or 2 first downs.

imafrshmn
Cornell is being embarrassed right now at Penn, even with our lowered expectations. Only about 30 offensive yards for the Big Red as of mid 3rd quarter, and only 1 or 2 first downs.

I hate to call for anybody's head, but if you care to have any semblance of a respectable program, you can't keep the staff after such a non-competitive season.

scoop85

imafrshmn
Cornell is being embarrassed right now at Penn, even with our lowered expectations. Only about 30 offensive yards for the Big Red as of mid 3rd quarter, and only 1 or 2 first downs.

I hate to call for anybody's head, but if you care to have any semblance of a respectable program, you can't keep the staff after such a non-competitive season.

Yeah, I agree with you. The minimum you should expect a coaching staff to do is to make the best team with whatever talent they've got. We know that we have, by a stroke of luck, a few players with near all-ivy skills (Liuzza, Walters, Costello, Fenton, Barbour, Ambrosi come to mind). We know that the team made huge preseason commitments to practice and conditioning and details. We also have heard time after time that the players have brought about a "culture of winning" (whatever that means). I'm not a savvy enough football fan to be able to prove that we've been outcoached in any of our losing efforts, but I don't see any other way to explain the losses to Dartmouth and Princeton. The defensive line was admittedly a key weakness for this team, but then part of the blame goes to the staff for recruiting guys too small for this league. On top of everything, even if a team undergoes a "culture change," there's something to be said for distrust and disrespect of the coaches by the players--deep seated feelings that can undermine the whole operation. Knowles may well be a nice guy, proud Cornellian, etc., but he's got to take some of the blame for this season and consider stepping down soon, if only to let the team start afresh.