MLax NCAAs 2009: Hofstra 8 @ Cornell 11 (final)

Cornell audio is up but really scratchy... at least for me.

I've had no luck finding any online streams on anything like justin.tv but if anyone finds one they should let us know. I'm stuck with the redcast here also.

Is it static-y for you too, Jacob? (wanna know if its just me)

And yeah, looks like the justin.tv feeds we used for hockey have been shut down. I'm not aware of anything else.

We're playing Hofstra, not Hobart.

Pretty sure ESPN showed Sage Hall when talking about the clocktower.

I didn't even catch that.

DeltaOne81
Is it static-y for you too, Jacob? (wanna know if its just me)

And yeah, looks like the justin.tv feeds we used for hockey have been shut down. I'm not aware of anything else.

Yeah, its pretty grainy. Laxpower is linking to Hofstra's radio station for free, and I may be able to pick it up since I'm in manhattan so if the audio is crappy I may switch over.

Whoops, fixed the title.

And I just emailed RedCast... since I'm paying for it I'd rather they fix it before I give up.

Disapointing crowd size.

The Hofstra webstream is a lot less grating on the ears with no static. Announcer seems fine so far also.

At the exact moment of the mis-identified tower a thunderstorm rolled in and a crack of nearby lightning wiped out my satellite system. Geez.

Already 3 or 4 pipes hit by the two teams combined.

Need to start winning faceoffs.

It would be nice if Myers made a save or two today.

4-4 now.

Cornell announcer called it a media time-out- No such thing in NCAA lax tournament. Had to be a charged timeout to one team.

God, WTF is with the ESPNU video? It looks like youtube quality.

Is there a free audio link through Hofstra, or is it only available on demand?

dbilmes
Is there a free audio link through Hofstra, or is it only available on demand?

[live1pl.streamwrhu.net]

Thanks!

Unbelievable how many point-blank opportunities we have not been able to cash-in. A few posts, a number of Gvozden saves, and even a wide open cage missed by Hurley (what's up with him?). Our goal play has been about what we've come to expect.

Certainly a much better effort than last year's Ohio State debacle. But it's gonna be touch-and-go in the second half. We just have to convert on these opportunities.

Not for nothin', but I gotta say, the ESPNU halftime show host is wearing the most horrific shirt/necktie combination I've ever seen in my entire life.

How about some color commentary on that shirt/tie combo for us not watching.

You echoed a lot of our thoughts. It feels as if we should be up by 3-4 goals on Hofstra right now. And there's no sense we're for sure going to come out of this with a win.

First half states say Cornell was 26-13 on shots and 15-14 on GBs but only 4-12 on faceoffs.

Really gotta stop throwing it away and having dumb turnovers too.

The Hofstra audio isn't working for me. Boooo.

So is Hofstra's Tierney related to Princeton's Tierney?

Cornell 9-6. More like it.

How'd we steal Pannell away from all the other schools? No matter. Gad, he's great.

Nice to see Seibald's presence in the goals column today.

In the back of my mind: What would this season have been, what could it be like if we had one more competitive goaltender in the mix?

Looks as if we're doing a better job this year -- fingers crossed - of shedding the every-other-year one-and-done mode that Harvard hockey is so good at every year in the NCAAs.

And there's a save

OMG - Jake's making saves for Cornell. This is a year when it's not such a sure thing.

So nice to hear announcers who know what they're talking about. The only thing better would be if we were sitting in a sports bar with a big screen TV (a sports bar that gets ESPNU) with Hillel Hoffman sitting between us. We'd buy every round for him. Or Howie Borkin.

Hurley into an empty cage as Hofstra presses. I kind of like a bigger lead than ball control.

Phew! Nice win. Too bad we have to toss another NYS team out of the tournament to advance.

On to Hofstra!

Tom Pasniewski 98
On to Hofstra!

Ha! Way to go Big Red.

Solid second half, and even a few saves by Myers when the game was in doubt. Some contribution from the 2nd midfield, and key move putting Howe in the X after Glynn was ineffective. Pannell is a revelation.

IIRC, Hofstra was the site of Cornell's very first NCAA championship. (It was somewhere on LI.) And there is that local Cornell student and alumni fan base. LGR!

You are correct Bill. The 1971 championship was held at Hofstra. Same stadium as we'll be in next weekend.

What was the announced crowd? Seemed pretty slim on TV. Although several nice shots of the band!

the student turnout was embarrassing

the student sports marketing group is doing a very poor job promoting these games

were losing out on a potential home-field advantage (in lax, hockey, bball)

Cornell11
the student turnout was embarrassing

the student sports marketing group is doing a very poor job promoting these games

were losing out on a potential home-field advantage (in lax, hockey, bball)

Forget about relying upon the "sports marketing group" -- the students will either show up or not. Inexplicable to me why any sports-minded Cornell student wouldn't want to take a couple of hours to support the team in the playoffs.

scoop85

Cornell11
the student turnout was embarrassing

the student sports marketing group is doing a very poor job promoting these games

were losing out on a potential home-field advantage (in lax, hockey, bball)

Forget about relying upon the "sports marketing group" -- the students will either show up or not. Inexplicable to me why any sports-minded Cornell student wouldn't want to take a couple of hours to support the team in the playoffs.

It would be pretty easy for a lot of students to miss, though, with it being finals week and the Daily Sun being over. It would have seemed to me like a no-brainer to email the hockey ticket or sports pass lists to make sure students knew about the game.

Liz98
Although several nice shots of the band!

All 25 of them. Thank the NCAA for their absurd rules regarding number of instruments at a home outdoor game in a mostly-empty football stadium.

I was there yesterday (of course!), but a few things worked against a large student turnout:

1. Exams

2. The weather - it was raining/lightning/etc. for the hours leading up to the game. The sun only came out about 10 minutes before the game. I think a lot of people assumed it would be raining. I know of a few people who watched it on tv (embarrassing - get out there in a poncho)

3. Cost - the NCAA games aren't free and casual fans just aren't going to pay to go to the games, even if it is only $5.

4. Tailgating restrictions - in one of the absolute dumbest restrictions ever, Cornell refuses to allow students to tailgate. Every time I go up to purchase a tailgating pass they ask me if I'm a student because they don't allow students to purchase the passes. Even though I'm a law student, I always respond that I'm an alum and they happily produce the pass. (By the way - it's not like the lot's full...300 passes for sale, I had #8)

Cornell should be encouraging students to tailgate before the games as a way of getting people to GO to the games. I've never heard of any other school that took this stance. It actively discourages people from attending. All of Cornell's best-attended games (in football and lax) have large tailgates beforehand - e,g, Homecoming, Princeton lax (the parking lot was packed). LET PEOPLE TAILGATE! You'll get more people that the game.

KP '06

scoop85

Cornell11
the student turnout was embarrassing

the student sports marketing group is doing a very poor job promoting these games

were losing out on a potential home-field advantage (in lax, hockey, bball)

Forget about relying upon the "sports marketing group" -- the students will either show up or not. Inexplicable to me why any sports-minded Cornell student wouldn't want to take a couple of hours to support the team in the playoffs.

It would be pretty easy for a lot of students to miss, though, with it being finals week and the Daily Sun being over. It would have seemed to me like a no-brainer to email the hockey ticket or sports pass lists to make sure students knew about the game.

Or chalk the campus a few days ahead of time.

CUontheslopes
4. Tailgating restrictions - in one of the absolute dumbest restrictions ever, Cornell refuses to allow students to tailgate. Every time I go up to purchase a tailgating pass they ask me if I'm a student because they don't allow students to purchase the passes. Even though I'm a law student, I always respond that I'm an alum and they happily produce the pass. (By the way - it's not like the lot's full...300 passes for sale, I had #8)

Cornell should be encouraging students to tailgate before the games as a way of getting people to GO to the games. I've never heard of any other school that took this stance. It actively discourages people from attending. All of Cornell's best-attended games (in football and lax) have large tailgates beforehand - e,g, Homecoming, Princeton lax (the parking lot was packed). LET PEOPLE TAILGATE! You'll get more people that the game.

I assume it's got to be an alcohol thing. There were plenty of beers being enjoyed at the tailgates, and I'm sure the cops were happy not to have to be walking around carding students.

KP '06

Liz98
Although several nice shots of the band!

All 25 of them. Thank the NCAA for their absurd rules regarding number of instruments at a home outdoor game in a mostly-empty football stadium.

And give an assist to Athletics for enforcing a rule that doesn't exist.

From the 2009 NCAA Lacrosse Championship Handbook:

Cheerleaders and/or spirit team members, not to exceed 12 in number, plus the mascot shall be admitted, if in uniform, via the gate list furnished to the host institution by the competing institution’s director of athletics; all other institutional representatives will be admitted only on presentation of a ticket. A maximum of 12 cheerleaders and/or spirit team members shall be allowed on the sideline during the progress of the game. The cheerleaders shall be located in a designated area by the tournament manager.

Band members, not to exceed 25 in number, who are in uniform and performing at the championship will not be charged admission to the competition. Bands, or any component thereof, are allowed to play during timeouts, between games, and before and after the competition.

Why did I include the cheerleading portion? Because the whole thing seems to be about figuring out who has to pay and who doesn't and who's on the field and who isn't. As the cheerleading section says, "all other institutional representatives will be admitted only on presentation of a ticket." You're in the seats? You've got to have a ticket.

One would assume that many of those "institutional representatives" might be charged admission. Exception: 25 members of the band, who "will not be charged admission" but would yet "be admitted only on presentation of a ticket."

The 25-free-admissions limitation is there to prevent athletic departments from giving out (or having to give out) oodles of free tickets to enormous bands, i.e., the NC$$ wants to preserve its revenues.

I fail to see how anything in the above precludes a greater than 25-member band.

Announced Attendances so far:

2,921 - Villanova at Virginia
2,235 - Hofstra at Cornell
1,431 - UMBC at North Carolina
1,016 - Maryland at Notre Dame

Why are you all grousing about the attendance? The game is played on the field. We don't get our seeding changed based on the number of fans who attended the game.

Those of us who made the trip to Schoel[l]kopf, drank a few beers with our friends and watched a great lax game can smile contentedly; those who chose to stay home and watch on TV because they didn't want to get wet or have to wait out the lightning play-stoppages that never materialized can just be sorry that they wimped out. And the students who decided that studying on a Saturday evening was a better way to spend their time than getting out with their friends for a few hours to watch a Cornell sporting event will eventually learn that it is important to have balance in one's life.

Scersk '97

Cheerleaders and/or spirit team members, not to exceed 12 in number, plus the mascot shall be admitted, if in uniform, via the gate list furnished to the host institution by the competing institution’s director of athletics; all other institutional representatives will be admitted only on presentation of a ticket. A maximum of 12 cheerleaders and/or spirit team members shall be allowed on the sideline during the progress of the game. The cheerleaders shall be located in a designated area by the tournament manager.

Band members, not to exceed 25 in number, who are in uniform and performing at the championship will not be charged admission to the competition. Bands, or any component thereof, are allowed to play during timeouts, between games, and before and after the competition.

I fail to see how anything in the above precludes a greater than 25-member band.

I agree with you that it depends how you read the sentence. An unfortunate interpretation was chosen this year.

Anyway, it was nice to see some flashes of the team we saw against Princeton a few weeks ago. They need to put it all together again next week. Anybody (who knows more about lacrosse than me) know what's up with John Glynn's faceoffs recently? He was invincible against Princeton and great for several weeks before that.

Nice post, nice comments. What are you doing on eLynah ... making reasonable observations and suggestions?

The tailgating restriction for students probably is an alcohol thing, except there's no ban on students walking in and around the parking lot.

All the more reason the drinking age should be 18. Lower the drinking age, raise awareness and enforcement. 21-to-25-year-olds have similar drinking / driving issues that perhaps get less enforcement when everyone is hung up on nailing 18-to-20s with a beer in their hands. Anyone who has teeange kids knows the 21-age doesn't keep alcohol out of the high schools.

CUontheslopes
4. Tailgating restrictions - in one of the absolute dumbest restrictions ever, Cornell refuses to allow students to tailgate. Every time I go up to purchase a tailgating pass they ask me if I'm a student because they don't allow students to purchase the passes. Even though I'm a law student, I always respond that I'm an alum and they happily produce the pass. (By the way - it's not like the lot's full...300 passes for sale, I had #8)

So couldn't any student claim they aren't one if they really wanted to?

French Rage
So couldn't any student claim they aren't one if they really wanted to?

I do believe you've hit on the point.