Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by TimV
Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:07PM
Sunnier in Ithaca than Cape Cod, Al. WTF????
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:10PM
The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).
It looks like a lovely fall day in Ithaca. There was also rain in Miami this morning, but it is still hot, humid and gross.
It looks like a lovely fall day in Ithaca. There was also rain in Miami this morning, but it is still hot, humid and gross.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:13PM
New pants are gray. Don't like em.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: CornellChris (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:19PM
Ugh. Field looks awful. I get that other sports use Schoellkopf, but clean it up when you're actually on national TV. All those extra lines make us look lke a glorified high school.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:27PM
Rita
The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).
First down lines and on-field graphics!
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:29PM
Retro from the 30s, Tim. Wore gray during Tom Harp era. Gary Wood wore gray pants.TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:31PM
Shane Savage still hurting.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:32PM
Yuh. The end of that era was actually the beginning of my era. After gary Wood and Pete Gogolak it was a very forgetable era. Maybe that's why I don't like em. They could go all the way back to my fathers era - paint the dome of the helmet white.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:33PM
CornellChris
Ugh. Field looks awful. I get that other sports use Schoellkopf, but clean it up when you're actually on national TV. All those extra lines make us look lke a glorified high school.
Except the lacrosse lines, right? THOSE are beautiful!
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:36PM
Sleeve stripes would have to be on the forearms.TimV
Yuh. The end of that era was actually the beginning of my era. After gary Wood and Pete Gogolak it was a very forgetable era. Maybe that's why I don't like em. They could go all the way back to my fathers era - paint the dome of the helmet white.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:38PM
Actually I dont remember that the 38-40 teams had any stripes. I'll have to check the yearbooks.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:40PM
Also to complete the Tom Harp look the helmets would have to be plain white.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:42PM
And UCLA shoulder stripes.TimV
Also to complete the Tom Harp look the helmets would have to be plain white.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:44PM
We have two starters wearing #6?
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:56PM
Looks like we found a running back.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 01:59PM
Two guys, I guess. Ondash on O, Watson-Lewis on D
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:00PM
Is Chat available? People will get tired of our BS.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:01PM
Awfully impressive start. Much better on both lines than against Fordham. Hagy played very little last week for some reason. Kid looks legit.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:06PM
All three Yale stops caused by dropped passes (two, admittedly, after hard hits).
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:07PM
Rita
The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).
Thanks for the heads up!
Crowd looks great.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:29PM
35-0. We this good, or Yale that bad?
Here's to some Davy-in-3 in the second half!
Here's to some Davy-in-3 in the second half!
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:43PM
I think we're that good. 2 TDs off turnovers, but D has shaped up, and there's no question about the O.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 02:49PM
And there's a running game...at last.TimV
I think we're that good. @ TDs off turnovers, but D has shaped up, and there's no question about the O.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 03:14PM
One concern is the place kicker is shaky. Could bite us in a close game
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 03:19PM
Keecker? Keecker??? We don' need no steenkin keecker!
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: September 22, 2012 04:09PM
Well, this Yale coach sure seems like a real jerk. Emptying his timeouts down 40 points with 40 seconds left.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 04:16PM
Sounds like Tampa Bay sending their guys against the Giants on the kneel-down play. "Just trying to change team culture. Would like to avoid another rout by Harvard this year."
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 08:48PM
TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.
I had the Harvard @ Brown game on (game 2 of NBC sports IVY League doubleheader) and what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 09:36PM
Harvard's been wearing those as long as I can remember...and that's a long time.Rita
TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.
I had the Harvard @ Brown game on (game 2 of NBC sports IVY League doubleheader) and what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: TimV (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 09:56PM
Rita
... what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.
It's another attempt at throwback cool. Long ago, even before Al was a young boy, football pants were made of canvas and were a natural khaki color. Harvard wore tan pants at least since the 60's in a nod to those days. When shiny silky synthetics evolved, the canvas look disappeared.
Al had suggested our gray pants were a retro look back to the Tom Harp era of 1961-65. If they really wanted to replicate that look, the players would wear the jerseys from last year with the shoulder hoops, todays gray pants, plain white helmets, and the dour facial expressions of teams whose best season was 5-4.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Swampy (---.ri.ri.cox.net)
Date: September 22, 2012 11:52PM
TimV
Rita
... what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.
It's another attempt at throwback cool. Long ago, even before Al was a young boy, football pants were made of canvas and were a natural khaki color. Harvard wore tan pants at least since the 60's in a nod to those days. When shiny silky synthetics evolved, the canvas look disappeared.
Al had suggested our gray pants were a retro look back to the Tom Harp era of 1961-65. If they really wanted to replicate that look, the players would wear the jerseys from last year with the shoulder hoops, todays gray pants, plain white helmets, and the dour facial expressions of teams whose best season was 5-4.
And whose most exciting play was three yards and a cloud of dust.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: September 24, 2012 01:02PM
Though it still strikes me as odd, I've noticed it to be pretty commonplace in NCAA football, because of the size of the rosters. If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players, so if every guy has to have a two-digit number then it's inevitable that there will be repetitions; as it is, there are multiple players wearing #s 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22, 31, 46. I think it's less common for both players wearing a number to be starters; by and large they're players who are two or three class years apart, and the younger of the two players will, to make a vast unsupported generalization, tend not to get too much palying time.Al DeFlorio
We have two starters wearing #6?
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: September 24, 2012 09:29PM
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: September 24, 2012 10:29PM
You got me.KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 24, 2012 11:14PM
It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 25, 2012 06:21AM
I, too.billhoward
It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.arthritishealthdoctors.com)
Date: September 26, 2012 08:15AM
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: css228 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: September 26, 2012 10:12AM
Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.Jim Hyla
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Chris '03 (38.104.240.---)
Date: September 26, 2012 10:25AM
css228
Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.Jim Hyla
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
Is the JV team listed on the Varsity roster? Does Cornell still play JV? It's somewhat more reasonable if the roster includes both teams. Whether a jv team is reasonable is another conversation all together.
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Jim Hyla (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: September 27, 2012 10:22AM
css228
Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.Jim Hyla
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?
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Cornell lawyers stopped the candy throwing. Jan/2005
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: September 27, 2012 12:27PM
It does cost a little extra money in terms of equipment and such. But I was really railing about the overall culture in college football (80+ scholarships for a sport that dresses about half that).Jim Hyla
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: css228 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: September 27, 2012 10:32PM
Anyone who is on the official roster is counted for Title IX purposes. This includes a kid who only practices and never dresses except for at home games just as much as it includes a guy like Jeff Matthews. However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).Jim Hyla
css228
Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.Jim Hyla
KeithK
What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players
That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.
That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: September 28, 2012 02:45PM
The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: css228 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: September 28, 2012 04:22PM
Not one hundred percent sure on them.billhoward
The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net)
Date: September 30, 2012 11:15AM
Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: September 30, 2012 12:01PM
The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.KeithK
Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).
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Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: Robb (---.tx.res.rr.com)
Date: October 01, 2012 08:57AM
Yep. He may be a hockey hero, but Laing Kennedy is on my permanent shit list. Thanks for nothing.Al DeFlorio
The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.KeithK
Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).
Re: Yale at Cornell Football
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: October 04, 2012 02:57PM
The current implementation of Title IX law basically requires this kind of decision, decisions which run counter to the idea of gender equity.Al DeFlorio
The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.KeithK
Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).
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