Yale at Cornell Football

Sunnier in Ithaca than Cape Cod, Al. WTF????

The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).

It looks like a lovely fall day in Ithaca. There was also rain in Miami this morning, but it is still hot, humid and gross.

New pants are gray. Don't like em.

Ugh. Field looks awful. I get that other sports use Schoellkopf, but clean it up when you're actually on national TV. All those extra lines make us look lke a glorified high school.

Rita
The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).

First down lines and on-field graphics!

TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.

Retro from the 30s, Tim. Wore gray during Tom Harp era. Gary Wood wore gray pants.

Shane Savage still hurting.

Yuh. The end of that era was actually the beginning of my era. After gary Wood and Pete Gogolak it was a very forgetable era. Maybe that's why I don't like em. They could go all the way back to my fathers era - paint the dome of the helmet white.

CornellChris
Ugh. Field looks awful. I get that other sports use Schoellkopf, but clean it up when you're actually on national TV. All those extra lines make us look lke a glorified high school.

Except the lacrosse lines, right? THOSE are beautiful!

TimV
Yuh. The end of that era was actually the beginning of my era. After gary Wood and Pete Gogolak it was a very forgetable era. Maybe that's why I don't like em. They could go all the way back to my fathers era - paint the dome of the helmet white.

Sleeve stripes would have to be on the forearms.

Actually I dont remember that the 38-40 teams had any stripes. I'll have to check the yearbooks.

Also to complete the Tom Harp look the helmets would have to be plain white.

TimV
Also to complete the Tom Harp look the helmets would have to be plain white.

And UCLA shoulder stripes.

We have two starters wearing #6?

Looks like we found a running back.

Two guys, I guess. Ondash on O, Watson-Lewis on D

Is Chat available? People will get tired of our BS.

Awfully impressive start. Much better on both lines than against Fordham. Hagy played very little last week for some reason. Kid looks legit.

All three Yale stops caused by dropped passes (two, admittedly, after hard hits).

Rita
The game is on TV.. NBC Sports (nee Versus).

Thanks for the heads up!

Crowd looks great.

35-0. We this good, or Yale that bad?

Here's to some Davy-in-3 in the second half!

I think we're that good. 2 TDs off turnovers, but D has shaped up, and there's no question about the O.

TimV
I think we're that good. @ TDs off turnovers, but D has shaped up, and there's no question about the O.

And there's a running game...at last.

One concern is the place kicker is shaky. Could bite us in a close game

Keecker? Keecker??? We don' need no steenkin keecker!

Well, this Yale coach sure seems like a real jerk. Emptying his timeouts down 40 points with 40 seconds left.

Sounds like Tampa Bay sending their guys against the Giants on the kneel-down play. "Just trying to change team culture. Would like to avoid another rout by Harvard this year."

TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.

I had the Harvard @ Brown game on (game 2 of NBC sports IVY League doubleheader) and what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.

Rita

TimV
New pants are gray. Don't like em.

I had the Harvard @ Brown game on (game 2 of NBC sports IVY League doubleheader) and what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.

Harvard's been wearing those as long as I can remember...and that's a long time.

Rita
... what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.

It's another attempt at throwback cool. Long ago, even before Al was a young boy, football pants were made of canvas and were a natural khaki color. Harvard wore tan pants at least since the 60's in a nod to those days. When shiny silky synthetics evolved, the canvas look disappeared.

Al had suggested our gray pants were a retro look back to the Tom Harp era of 1961-65. If they really wanted to replicate that look, the players would wear the jerseys from last year with the shoulder hoops, todays gray pants, plain white helmets, and the dour facial expressions of teams whose best season was 5-4.

TimV

Rita
... what is the deal with Harvard's gold pants? No style points from me on those. ugh.

It's another attempt at throwback cool. Long ago, even before Al was a young boy, football pants were made of canvas and were a natural khaki color. Harvard wore tan pants at least since the 60's in a nod to those days. When shiny silky synthetics evolved, the canvas look disappeared.

Al had suggested our gray pants were a retro look back to the Tom Harp era of 1961-65. If they really wanted to replicate that look, the players would wear the jerseys from last year with the shoulder hoops, todays gray pants, plain white helmets, and the dour facial expressions of teams whose best season was 5-4.

And whose most exciting play was three yards and a cloud of dust.

Al DeFlorio
We have two starters wearing #6?

Though it still strikes me as odd, I've noticed it to be pretty commonplace in NCAA football, because of the size of the rosters. If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players, so if every guy has to have a two-digit number then it's inevitable that there will be repetitions; as it is, there are multiple players wearing #s 5, 6, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 22, 31, 46. I think it's less common for both players wearing a number to be starters; by and large they're players who are two or three class years apart, and the younger of the two players will, to make a vast unsupported generalization, tend not to get too much palying time.

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

You got me.

It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.

billhoward
It's only been, what, 55 years we've been waiting for an outright championship? A long way to go still. I for one want to be in Boston Oct. 6 for the Harvard game.

I, too.

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Jim Hyla

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

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Jim Hyla

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

Is the JV team listed on the Varsity roster? Does Cornell still play JV? It's somewhat more reasonable if the roster includes both teams. Whether a jv team is reasonable is another conversation all together.

css228

Jim Hyla

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?

Jim Hyla

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

It does cost a little extra money in terms of equipment and such. But I was really railing about the overall culture in college football (80+ scholarships for a sport that dresses about half that).

Jim Hyla

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Jim Hyla

KeithK

Josh '99
If you look at Cornell's current roster, there are (I counted) 105 players

What possible reason could there be for having 100+ players on the roster? Ridiculous. And we'e not even a scholarship school.

That's one of the reasons for having 100+ players. It doesn't cost them a lot, unlike the scholorship schools. If a stiudent wants to practice, knowing he will never go on road trips and never play in a game, what's wrong with that? It really is in the spirit of Ivy athletics, sport for the joy of it, knowing full well that you're not likely to make a living from it. I say the more the merrier.

Well because of Title IX it leads to them cutting roster spots in other sports (Like Track and Field and Cross Country) or not make other opportunities available to men at all (e.g. Fencing). And those are opportunities for kids to actually compete. Football doesn't need 100+ roster spots.

That's true, but it brings up the question of what counts as a student athlete as far as Title IX. Does anyone know? I'd guess that in Ivy football the number of students goes up, and mostly down as the year progresses. Do they only count the number that are on the travel squads? At scholarship schools do all athletes travel, or does a smaller number travel, like the Ivies?

Anyone who is on the official roster is counted for Title IX purposes. This includes a kid who only practices and never dresses except for at home games just as much as it includes a guy like Jeff Matthews. However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?

billhoward
The team managers - still more women than men? - count also for Title IX?

Not one hundred percent sure on them.

css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.

KeithK

css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.

The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.

Al DeFlorio

KeithK

css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.

The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.

Yep. He may be a hockey hero, but Laing Kennedy is on my permanent shit list. Thanks for nothing.

Al DeFlorio

KeithK

css228
However, as we've found out, men can count as women's spots if they are on the practice squad of mostly female team under the same coaching (no that this is incredibly ethical, but Cornell does this with its mens club fencers. Many of them are on the Women's Fencing roster).

Considering that the law forced cancellation of the men's fencing team in the spirit of "equality" I don't have any problem with this.

The law didn't "force" the dropping of men's fencing. It forced equality of treatment for women in intercollegiate athletics. How Cornell chose to conform to that long-overdue law was the administration's decision.

The current implementation of Title IX law basically requires this kind of decision, decisions which run counter to the idea of gender equity.